Correct river decision after villian check behind...

[danzasmack]

Ugh i hate check/call here. He checks behind AJ/AK sooooo much.

EDIT: In fact in aggro games i'm like 99% sure you are going to miss out on a lot of bets if you just call the 3-bet and check/call these river

[danzasmack]

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he raises worse hands on the river?

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tbh i've thought about this a lot lately, making big river folds, and i think from a game theory POV, when you include pot odds, it's not really that important in online poker. Especially nowadays when there is a lot of metagame.

[pegboy]

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But applying any strategy that involves folding in this spot with that action against a villain of that description is just plain horrible IMO.

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Villian appears to be pretty darn aggressive, at least pre-flop

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Does this really put him in the range of checking the turn and raising the river on a bluff? How often? He thinks you have a T, a Q, or a flush and he's going to pop you with air thinking you're 2+2 enough to drop the hand(which I would). That's giving this chap a lot of credit isn't it?

[mterry]

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What is that guy checking on the turn other than a big flush draw? Not much.

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99, JJ, AK without a fd. This looks like he's trying to showdown cheaply, while giving himself a free card to improve. Or, he is fps an overpair or ten and raising the river for value.

As stated earlier, he does bet his big flush draw here.

[Oink]

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That's giving this chap a lot of credit isn't it?

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On the contrary I think folding is giving him too much credit.

- He is unknown but seems "pretty darn" aggro
- Hero is getting 10:1 (approx)
- His line is BS
- Metagame (as Danza said)

Folding is terrible IMO

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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That's giving this chap a lot of credit isn't it?

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On the contrary I think folding is giving him too much credit.

- He is unknown but seems "pretty darn" aggro
- Hero is getting 10:1 (approx)
- His line is BS
- Metagame (as Danza said)

Folding is terrible IMO

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The hero should never be in a position to fold. Everyone can argue all they want about whats better, B/F or B/C, but thats just a waste of time becuz both this lines are clearly inferior to C/C. I could argue that even against this guy that bet/folding is probably better than bet/calling, but like I said before, that doesnt even matter cuz I'm never bet/folding this guy in my life after this action on that river card. I'm taking the best line of all, C/C.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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Ugh i hate check/call here. He checks behind AJ/AK sooooo much.

EDIT: In fact in aggro games i'm like 99% sure you are going to miss out on a lot of bets if you just call the 3-bet and check/call these river

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If you really think check/calling any diamond river after this action is a leak than I think you may have forgotten how to play poker.

[pegboy]

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Ugh i hate check/call here. He checks behind AJ/AK sooooo much.

EDIT: In fact in aggro games i'm like 99% sure you are going to miss out on a lot of bets if you just call the 3-bet and check/call these river

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If you really think check/calling any diamond river after this action is a leak than I think you may have forgotten how to play poker.

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Wow down ILP. First off, you've zero evidence that I knew how to play poker to begin with! And your first post did elude to this being a decision between b/f and c/c. You seem to have sided quite definitively with the c/c side given the reference to this players aggression by the OP and the actions through the hand.

May I ask why you think this villain checked the turn? 2 big diamonds? Didn't want to fire again on the come to possibly win it outright and maybe get a free show? Afraid to semi-bluff? Knows he's crushed? Yet you fear the bluff/raise on 5th?

Can you see how an up-and-comer like the peg can't figure this psychology?

[danzasmack]

If an aggro player 3-bet me in MP and 3-bet the flop and then checked the turn, i weight his range to something with a lot less outs than a diamond draw.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

Check-call is the right play IMO. The flush card coming in tips the scales such that he's more likely to bluff with his weaker hands and less likely to call with them. You also save money when behind, of course, as I'm not entirely comfortable folding to a raise.