Probably a Disappointment

[Phil153]

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I really don't understand why anyone from 2p2 is involved in this. Why? What can 2p2, Nat, and his colleague possibly do? I don't get it. Explain plz.

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Mason and those he works with have been around in the gambling industry for decades, and have seen all kinds of shady operations, from the early days of dodgy underground cardrooms to the Planet Poker scandal to casino operations run by organized crime. There are very few people who have that kind of experience, and the fact that Mason has offered is a plus for online poker.

As far as I'm concerned, if Absolute denies this investigation they're basically admitting to still having criminal elements in their organization and/or significant undisclosed activities.

[daca]

Yeah this is a good idea. If it gets more backing here absolute are almost forced to have them.

[ericicecream]

Mason,

Thank you for letting us all know that you are taking an active role in this scandal. It's much appreciated.

I think the current AP management would be very foolish not to accept, unless they have something to still hide.

[DonkeyKing]

Well, if they don't want well respected community individuals to see and report that they are a safe site to play on, the community itself just won't play on the site. Too bad and their loss. If they wanna hide something from us then it's their choice to lose out on millions, yes, millions of dollars ( 2+2, P5 poker forum goers consist of thousands). Idiots. Guess they really have their heads up with ass with the thinking that the payout they gave people was a permanent fix to a HUGE scandal. Doesn't solve a still tainted reputation.

But thanks to Malmuth to putting in the effort. We all appreciate it of course. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Spiff]

TY

[El_Hombre_Grande]

Thanks for the try. I know everything I need to know about the allegedly "new" management team from this. I doubt the players have even changed, and the strategy surely hasn't.

[Keepitsimple]

I feel bad for sklansky. The Absolute women are fine.

[DougShrapnel]

Mason, I applaud the effort and commitment twooplustwo has shown related to the integrity of the game, as permitted by 2p2 lawyers.

However, I can't think of anything that you could provide as a service to AP, besides being able to slap your name on their product. As keeping with the quality of 2p2 current offerings I haven't a clue why you would attempt to pursue that avenue. Not to mention that it would be a strange time for 2p2 lawyers to allow pimping of the 2p2 name to internet gaming sites, especially one that allows americans.

As a publisher and owner of a publishing company, and having a website forum that runs OK withstanding, what qualifies you for fact finding? I do understand that consumers of your products, users of this website will be looking for some sort of "twoplustwo" statement regarding AP. So I understand your desire to keep any statements that are interprated as coming from 2p2 to be actually coming from 2p2. So i can see why you would want to go to AP, but I can't see why AP would want to hire you.

The nature of the accused infractions appears highly technical. And if I was consulting AP I would advise them to fix the vulnerabilities as priority number one.

And find a way to get the amateur sluths in good graces. A task it appears they are doing an awesome job at. With N 8 becoming a PR rep for them, and offering to match mikes charity contribution. I'll wait to see what adanthar gets, but he appears to be moving on of his own volition, so perhaps nothing.

The truth of the matter is that there are very few people that a capable of fact finding here. It's a relatively new business platform, and requires a different maybe even unknown skill set.

There are a number of sites that if you really wished to earn extra income, help to maintain the integrity of the game that would be willing to hire you in an attempt to prevent cheaters. As I understand it Stars has paid for some algo's to help in collusion detection. Colluders still exist, multi accounters, and bots. I would think that you would be able to offer something in the way of colluders, team play and multi accounters, but I'm not sure about bots.

Highest Regards,
DougShrapnel

[Exsubmariner]

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As far as I know we haven't done any business with AP for at least two years.


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That's interesting? Did you stop doing business with them back then because you suspected something wasn't above board?

[Raxxmataxx]

Malmuth:
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As far as I know we haven't done any business with AP for at least two years.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, I assumed you had done advertising from them, or affiliates, later than that, but the point still stands. 2+2 isn't exactly independent from one of the bigger players in the online industry.

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The report would come from a third party and we would have no influence as to what it would contain.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, mind divulging some more details as to whom actually would be authoring a report and doing the fact finding?

From your first post I thought you meant some people connected to 2+2, or the poker world. As somebody else said accountants and computer forensics people are probably far more suited, so if you thought to hire some consultants in that area, that's great.

Of course, there isn't much wrong with a 2+2-investigation in addition to outside-of-the-industry people doing one too. It would be a great datapoint, just not one I'd rely entirely on.

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Mason and those he works with have been around in the gambling industry for decades, and have seen all kinds of shady operations, from the early days of dodgy underground cardrooms to the Planet Poker scandal to casino operations run by organized crime.

[/ QUOTE ]Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't also Malmuth et al also distinguished themselves by not doing a thing about any of that stuff?

I'm pretty sure I remember Sklansky saying he was staked by the mob in the beginning of his career as well as knowing about cheated games and staying away rather than interfere. Granted, those things are all fairly understandable, but it's not indicative of someone whom you'd really trust never to be bought either.