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#14
04-27-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: hand reading exercise
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Wow. Ok cool man. I didn't think naked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] should bet the turn, but alright. [/ QUOTE ] I would check in the game you describe but I wouldn't typically do it. At least not against observant opponents. 
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#16
04-27-2007, 10:01 PM
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Re: hand reading exercise
Q of spades isn't 3-betting the river when raised
"I think there were 3 players on that river. Mega easy fold" Please explain. Isn't it worth it to call for 1 bet on the river even without the nuts? Aren't we good 1 out of 12.75 times here? You're bound to get clarkmeistered every once in a while, especially in a 50c/$1 game by an observant opponent...?
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#17
04-27-2007, 10:05 PM
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Re: hand reading exercise
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I was remembering a hand from like a year ago today, and I tweaked this to make it more precise when reading the hand. Home game, 0.5/1 blinds and 1/2 stakes. 10 players. Game is loose and passive, but a few of the players are slightly aggressive, and there's one spot who's very loose, very aggro, and somewhat tricky. BB hero is a good tag and I'm sitting at the table across from him. Anyways, early limp, two middle limp, including the lag, button limps, and hero checks. 5 players, 5.5 SB, flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero bets, 2 middle players call, button calls. Turn: 5.75bb, 4 players, 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero bets, one fold, lag raises, button calls, hero calls. River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3 players, 11.75bb Hero bets, lag raises, button folds, hero three-bets, lag folds. I could be missing a few hands, but I'm pretty sure that we can narrow this down to one hand that's very likely and another that's possible, and a third that's a far outside possibility (not sure if he should play that hand in this manner). Let me know what you think. [/ QUOTE ] If hero plays straightforwardly... On the flop hero could have K6-KJ, 66, 86, 88, A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x, A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. On the turn hero could have K6-KJ, 66, 86, 88, A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x. On the river hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x. edit: added 86 to hand range on flop and turn
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#18
04-28-2007, 09:38 AM
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Re: hand reading exercise
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Q of spades isn't 3-betting the river when raised [/ QUOTE ] Villian is a lag. He can be raising here with a variety of hands. He doesn't neccesarily have the As. The fact that he just called preflop and on the flop makes it even less likely he has the As. What self respecting lag doesn't raise a nut flush draw and an overcard on the flop? In this position I'm probably not 3 betting, but I'm not sure it's bad either.
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#19
04-28-2007, 10:34 AM
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Re: hand reading exercise
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[ QUOTE ] Q of spades isn't 3-betting the river when raised [/ QUOTE ] Villian is a lag. He can be raising here with a variety of hands. He doesn't neccesarily have the As. The fact that he just called preflop and on the flop makes it even less likely he has the As. What self respecting lag doesn't raise a nut flush draw and an overcard on the flop? In this position I'm probably not 3 betting, but I'm not sure it's bad either. [/ QUOTE ] That thing that just flew over your head? Yeah, that was what we call the "point". (We're trying to read Hero's hand, not Villan's.)
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#20
04-28-2007, 10:44 AM
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Re: hand reading exercise
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Q of spades isn't 3-betting the river when raised [/ QUOTE ] Villian is a lag. He can be raising here with a variety of hands. He doesn't neccesarily have the As. The fact that he just called preflop and on the flop makes it even less likely he has the As. What self respecting lag doesn't raise a nut flush draw and an overcard on the flop? In this position I'm probably not 3 betting, but I'm not sure it's bad either. [/ QUOTE ] That thing that just flew over your head? Yeah, that was what we call the "point". (We're trying to read Hero's hand, not Villan's.) [/ QUOTE ] Umm, read it again. I said Hero might have KQ with Qs. Someone mentioned that Hero can't 3-bet the river with the Qs, and I pointed out that Hero might be reading villian's hand and reasonably decide he doesn't have the As.
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