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#1
10-07-2006, 02:24 AM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
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First of all, I wouldn't be in there chasing to get quartered, which is my point for questioning the pre-flop call in a raised pot. [/ QUOTE ] What are you talking about? Preflop, on the button, facing a cutoff open raise, with two flush draws (one to the nut flush), a second nut low draw and three broadway cards -- how are you "chasing to get quartered"?? It just doesn't make sense. In your world you would never play A2xx because you are just chasing being quartered... preflop he has high options and low options. His hand has significant scoop potential with strong backup potential for at least half the pot. His reraise was an attempt to isolate CO with position. That is a smart move if there is any chance that CO is raising light. Many blinds will call a single raise with marginal hands in 2/4 LO8 -- It is better to try and eliminate the blinds. I think you might want to reread some of those poker books... 
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#2
10-07-2006, 04:24 AM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
[ QUOTE ] In the hand in question, there just aren't enough times to scoop or 3/4 the competition, short handed, which is the point of playing Omaha 8b. [/ QUOTE ] I think you might have read some pot limit philosophy which is fine. Chasing half a pot in loose limit games is ok. Your payoff will still be better then your investments. Obviously not the case in Pot limit where the later streets can really screw you if you are getting quartered and facing pot size bets. I would bet the turn. easy call on the river. The turn check will cause your opponent to lead the river with a lot of hands. I'm guessing you got scooped though.
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#3
10-06-2006, 02:44 PM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
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You have no chance for high & you are playing shorthanded. So you are drawing for 1/2 1/3 or the low with the second nut low and you have no back-up to prevent conterfiet of the low. I'm not even sure you should even be in the hand pre-flop/raised. Then you essentially mis-flop and you bet. Then you pick-up nut flush draw by playing bad, but you check. You make a pair [T]'s. If you read your opponents as idiots then a call would be correct. If you are ever at a table with me, I hope you play this same way. I suppose it's idiotic to suggest that you read a little on the goals of playing Omaha 8b. [/ QUOTE ] this entire post is garbage
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#4
10-06-2006, 06:34 PM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
I would probably bet turn, usually you will have 1/2 locked up and you have a big draw. River you have high or low 90% of the time but don't scoop often, so call.
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#5
10-07-2006, 06:37 AM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
Bremen - Assuming your intention was to knock out the blinds and get one-on-one with CO, I like your pre-flop raise. You have a very nice one-on-one hand. Didn't work this time against this BB, but was worth a try. Fine.
And you bet the flop. Fine. But you dropped the ball on the turn. When you don't bet the turn after betting aggressively pre-flop and post flop, one of your opponents is likely to take a shot at you on the river. And that is what happened here. Better for you to bet the turn forcing your opponents to guess than to put them in a position to bet the river and make you guess. By betting the turn, you might knock off a potentially better high hand than yours and also might knock out another ace-three low hand. You only have second nut low, but a turn bet would not exactly be a bluff, and might take down the pot. Often by betting aggressively, you turn what might otherwise win a half or a quarter of the pot into a scooper. You started the sequence. You set up the old one two. But then you quit after only the old one. Oh well... (sigh) [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] You should definitely not fold on the river, but should you just call or should you raise? I somehow don't envision BB folding to your raise. Therefore, I think a call is your best move on the river. Buzz
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#9
10-22-2006, 08:38 AM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
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If you 3-bet before the flop,bet the flop,& then bet the turn,you have overplayed your hand on every street,imo. [/ QUOTE ]Yes, in a way that is true. I would have limped before the flop with this hand, except when the player immediately in front of Hero makes it two bets, Hero has a chance to get one-on-one with the raiser. I think this is a good hand to be one-on-one and have position. If I got a peek at the raiser's hand, and saw that he had ace-deuce or ace-trey, I might just fold to the double bet. But my experience is most people who raise before the flop don't really have anything very special. I played in that 6/12 game of yours at the Bike last weekend and that was confirmed by the pre-flop raisers I encountered. They were mostly raising just to intimidate. When they do that, I think you should try to turn it to your advantage. I still want a playable hand, but A3TQ-double-suited certainly qualifies as a playable hand. And then this is certainly a playable flop which should be bet after everyone checks. It's not ideal, but most hands and boards are not. I think if I simulated this, Hero has a more positive expectation than his opponents (if they have random hands) at every step of the way. If you're somehow in a game where you can't bet this, then I think you should look for a game where you can. Buzz
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#10
10-22-2006, 08:19 PM
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Re: 2/4 Limit O8 hand.
I'd like to point out that hero's hand is a slight favorite to A2xx and a bigger favorite to A23x. This is definitely a both way hand, especially shorthanded, and is therefore not a bad 3-bet preflop at all.
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