A question for OOT regarding longtime posters

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mbillie if you need me to host your avatar, I can hook it up.

But I will be kind of upset that you will need to remove Ron Paul.

[mason55]

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Good OPs are only part of what makes OOT good. Bad ones that open up discussion and/or ridicule are also important. Bad ones that do not generate discussion or are poor efforts deserve the lock.

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Couldn't agree more. The tricky part is being able to do an instantaneous determination.

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The OOT mob spending an afternoon flaming a retarded post/poster is fun. Sometimes it makes the person a better poster. Sometimes it leads to a good thread/discussion. A good mod needs to tell which dumb posts will do this.

For example, the dumbest of the dumb provide for great comedy. Content free posts can grow into content full threads. As someone else pointed out, there's lots of posters who don't start many OPs (I've started maybe 20-30 in my 2.5 years here) but can provide content or humor to almost any OP. By killing every single OP that isn't top notch you're not giving those people a chance to do their thing because there's not many top notch OPs to be made.

I've thought this to myself a number of times over the past couple months but wanted to make sure before I said anything. I really do think this is the biggest thing right now. I kind of feel like I'm rehashing what other people have said as well, but I'd like to think my opinion has a little weight behind it.

[Blarg]

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there's not many top notch OPs to be made

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This is true. That's why even a forum devoted to serious discussions -- which OOT certainly isn't -- still needs some chatty doofus stuff to keep the liveliness going.

Not sure I agree that all that much good stuff is being kicked out of OOT, but I dunno. Applying the rule quoted above, there's not all that much good stuff to kick out in the first place no matter how kicky any mods get.

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I know all the reasons I shouldn't be here, but sometimes reasons don't matter.

[samjjones]

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Blarg,

You said: "Well, El D is by and large gone from this forum"

I just find that a very strange statement when I have posted 125 times in OOT in the past month.

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I dunno. Maybe he wants to see more bacon errata?

[4_2_it]

Things I miss from the good old days:

1) JTB posting the No Poker in OOT Porn girl when noobs made a poker thread. Much more entertaining then seeing someone *ed
2) Bad posts made by regulars got ridiculed and usually led to posts with entertainment value.
3) Letting bad posts just die a natural death and only locking/deleting them when the OP is bumping them for no good reason.

TBH, my favorite OOT era was the Astroglide months. I'm not saying astro should return, but rather his style seemed to keep the really idiotic stuff out while maintaining an environment where entertaining threads could grow. The [censored] era had its moments, but where OOT is today is a natural progression from what [censored] began.

[mason55]

I think the key here, and something that just came to me when I was looking at ATF, is more subjectivity. Sure, rules are great. But rules don't work so great for social interactions (parties with "rules" never work out). Just because you let 1 no content post go doesn't mean you have to let them all go. Letting "What to do in Houston" DOESN'T mean you have to let the forum get flooded with 20 other "What to do posts..."

I realize I'm not the one dealing with the crap, but it seems better to listen to people bitch that you're unfair while OOT is good than be fair and have OOT suck. [censored] was extremely and admittedly unfair, for example.

[TxRedMan]

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I don't catch 'em all. I'm just among those that have seen a big drop-off in quantity.

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i think it was to be expected that El D would be less of a presence in OOT when his forum opened, and that OOT would decline in his absence. not that i'm unhappy w/ OOT, i think it's better now than it has been in the past, but not at it's best. still though, what can 2p2 really expect out of El D? the man has his own forum, and a life too, last i heard.

[TxRedMan]

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Things I miss from the good old days:

1) JTB posting the No Poker in OOT Porn girl when noobs made a poker thread. Much more entertaining then seeing someone *ed
2) Bad posts made by regulars got ridiculed and usually led to posts with entertainment value.
3) Letting bad posts just die a natural death and only locking/deleting them when the OP is bumping them for no good reason.

TBH, my favorite OOT era was the Astroglide months. I'm not saying astro should return, but rather his style seemed to keep the really idiotic stuff out while maintaining an environment where entertaining threads could grow. The [censored] era had its moments, but where OOT is today is a natural progression from what [censored] began.

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astro was good. i'm sorry i was a dick to him when i made my first polltarding post in OOT and he pm'd me telling me it sucked. the fact that he took the time to pm me and let me know it sucked before *'ing me, which, he did when i was an ass, made me a better and more thoughtful poster.

[CrazyEyez]

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As I hear the President and Leo saying on a old West Wing episode that's on my tv for some reason:

-"It's a vicious circle. Just goes round and round."
-"That's what makes it vicious."
-"And a circle."

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+1 on the "Lines Sorkin Recycled for the West Wing from SportsNight" tote board.