My first post (not really). $11 NLTRN

[brooksideboy]

I have been lurking at 2+2 for a couple of years now, and have finally come to the conclusion thay learning by osmosis aint gonna work for me. I was gonna write my poker history here, but who wants to be bored with that. I need some help with hand number 2 below (and hand 1 if you want). Normally I would fold both (ok, maybe just the first) hands preflop, but he was letting me limp so I didnt fold anything. This hand occured first:

Full Tilt Poker, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): 1,665
BB: 1,335

Pre-Flop: (45) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
Hero calls 15, BB checks

Flop: (60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets 60</font>, Hero calls 60

Turn: (180) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets 180</font>, Hero calls 180

River: (540) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets 300</font>, Hero calls 300

Results: 1,140 Pot
Hero showed 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a full house, Fives full of Jacks) and WON 570 (+0 NET)
BB showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Fives full of Jacks) and WON 570 (+0 NET)


Then this came a few hands later:

Full Tilt Poker, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): 1,710
BB: 1,290

Pre-Flop: (45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
Hero calls 15, BB checks

Flop: (60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets 60</font>

I think I equally want to fold, call and raise. I probably picked the worst option. What do you think?

ps. Hello to everyone, hopefully you'll be seeing a lot of me (and my excessive use of parentheses).

[52_4]

What is your read on BB? Has he lead before into you from the BB when you limped, and if so, with what hands?

[tmcdmck]

well in hand 1 i would have folded the turn for sure: if a player that passive comes out betting, it is something to be careful of (unless you had a read that he was only passive preflop). therefore i am going to say fold hand 2 on the flop, unless you think you have implied odds to hit 2pair or better (which you might, but fold the turn for sure if you dont improve).

[daveT]

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he was letting me limp so I didnt fold anything.

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Your read is that he is passive and you can steal blinds.

[jool]

Hand 1 fold to the 2nd barrel from a passive player (was he also passive postflop?)

Hand 2 i think is a pretty easy fold on the flop here. exception would be if you have known him to take stabs and then shut down when called, but even then CR may be better cuz it's such a vulnerable hand on that board. standard fold though

[brooksideboy]

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he was letting me limp so I didnt fold anything.

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Your read is that he is passive and you can steal blinds.

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Not sure I understand. Are you saying that against an opponent who will let you limp, you should raise hands like J3o?

[tubk]

dont limp on the button with jack 3 off suit.

[brooksideboy]

Thanks for the replies. Looks like I can fix two leaks with one question. Hope this trend continues.

[cachews]

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dont limp on the button with jack 3 off suit.

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This seems wrong to me. Which option do you think is better?

If you know the guy is checking back the vast majority of the time, calling definitely seems better than folding. I realize J3o is a terrible hand, but you have the button against a random hand.

Do you think raising is better? That doesn't sound right to me either, but I'd be interested in arguments why.

[tubk]

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dont limp on the button with jack 3 off suit.

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This seems wrong to me. Which option do you think is better?

If you know the guy is checking back the vast majority of the time, calling definitely seems better than folding. I realize J3o is a terrible hand, but you have the button against a random hand.

Do you think raising is better? That doesn't sound right to me either, but I'd be interested in arguments why.

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personally i NEVER limp on the button, but limping with jack 3 off suit is just horrible.

what are you achieving by doing it?