600 NL | Tricky KQo OOP in RR pot

[Rolon]

No reads on villain. 3-bet me once before and I folded. Not sure why I opted for a call here, I probably should have folded pre.


PokerStars Game #9690797303: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/04/30 - 22:45:49 (ET)
Table 'Albiorix III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: datrip1 ($716 in chips)
Seat 3: rembones ($194.15 in chips)
Seat 4: rolonrolon ($749.40 in chips)
Seat 5: DanielGChan ($624.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Jill_Brown ($591 in chips)
datrip1: posts small blind $3
rembones: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rolonrolon [Ks Qh]
rolonrolon: raises $15 to $21
JMD13 has returned
DanielGChan: raises $33 to $54
Jill_Brown: folds
datrip1: folds
rembones: folds
rolonrolon: calls $33
*** FLOP *** [9d Qc 5h]
rolonrolon: bets $80
DanielGChan: raises $80 to $160
rolonrolon: calls $80
*** TURN *** [9d Qc 5h] [5s]
rolonrolon: checks
DanielGChan: checks
*** RIVER *** [9d Qc 5h 5s] [Ad]
rolonrolon: checks
DanielGChan: bets $410
rolonrolon: folds
DanielGChan collected $435 from pot
DanielGChan: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $437 | Rake $2
Board [9d Qc 5h 5s Ad]
Seat 1: datrip1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: rembones (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: rolonrolon folded on the River
Seat 5: DanielGChan collected ($435)
Seat 6: Jill_Brown (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Jay Riall]

Fold preflop. Hate hate hate flop lead, c/c and see a turn.

[Spechel EDD]

id opt for a fold pre. the weird minraise from him makes me even more uncomfortable postflop.

[Kristian]

Flop lead is horrible. Your calls may be ok or at least not as bad, since he is giving you reasonable odds, but preflop is certainly questionable.

[skier_5]

fold preflop, don't lead flop.

[Scottery]

I check call flop oop probably. Against some opponents pre is fine, othertimes its an easy fold.

[binions]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold preflop. Hate hate hate flop lead, c/c and see a turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agree 100% with your statement. But assuming he calls preflop and takes your suggested line on the flop and a blank falls on the turn as it did, do you lead turn? Attempt to check-raise turn? Check/call turn? Check-fold turn?

I figure I am either way ahead or way behind on this rainbow board. The only possible drawing hand is JT. If I am ahead he has 2-3 outs. If I am behind, I have 0-5 outs. Out of position, do you try to keep the pot small here and risk giving a free card if the turn goes check-check? Or do you "value bet" the turn? Do you fold if he raises your turn "value bet"? If the turn goes check-check, do you have to check-call any reasonable bet on the river (ie induce a bluff)? Surely you don't donk bet the river after a check-check turn with a hand that only gets called when its beat.

[TylerD]

What are the reasons for not leading on the flop?

[binions]

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What are the reasons for not leading on the flop?

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Personally, I hate defining my hand out of position on a dry flop against a preflop raiser (who has position on me). I am telegraphing that I have a Q. It's hard enough to play profitably out of position when your hand is disguised.

[Kristian]

[ QUOTE ]
What are the reasons for not leading on the flop?

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1) We build a big pot with a hand we don't like to go broke with.

2) We let him get away cheap with hands we beat that he would otherwise c-bet.

3) Whatever villain chooses to do, it gives us very little information about his hand.

4) We have no idea what to do if he raises us.