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10-03-2007, 03:26 PM
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Re: is g-p making any sense to anyone?
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You lost 26BB don't lose 260BB... [/ QUOTE ] Explain what this has to do with anything? 
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#22
10-03-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: is g-p making any sense to anyone?
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g-p, Could you PLEASE explain your responses? And, if you could articulate, what would be your course of action here? It would be most appreciated. TK [/ QUOTE ] he is saying to fold bc villian knows what you have is not dumb enough to try to bluff someone off TPTK so thus he is value raising or at least has a really strong draw.
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#23
10-03-2007, 04:18 PM
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Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....
I don't like being OOP against a smart LAG. It's not a situation you want to be in. That said, given your actions so far here is what I'd do:
-Fold Here is why: If you push, you are risking 200 BB's to win a fairly small pot. You only get called if you are crushed. If you call, then you are in a bad situation again on the turn. He can't go wrong really since he is in position and your hand is clearly defined. If you check the turn after this, again he has you by the throat. Give it up and wait for a better spot IMO.
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#24
10-03-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: is g-p making any sense to anyone?
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[ QUOTE ] g-p, Could you PLEASE explain your responses? And, if you could articulate, what would be your course of action here? It would be most appreciated. TK [/ QUOTE ] he is saying to fold bc villian knows what you have is not dumb enough to try to bluff someone off TPTK so thus he is value raising or at least has a really strong draw. [/ QUOTE ] Soooo...because he opened w/a standard raise in early position and cont. bet the flop he HAS to have TPTK??? Nonsense.
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#25
10-03-2007, 04:26 PM
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Re: is g-p making any sense to anyone?
well, theres not too many hands he can have that are better than ours, and theres lots of potential draws. also, if we just call, the rest of the hand is tough to play one way or another, and chances are he'll play it close to perfectly.
so, unless your preflop+flop actions define your hand to him too clearly, it looks like a shove to me. kind of gross though, and i'd generally not bet that much on the flop for the exact reason that i want to avoid spots like this.
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#26
10-03-2007, 08:04 PM
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Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....
If you call, he knows you have at the very least an ace with a good kicker. With him knowing this, it likely that he is going to just check/fold the rest of the hand. You will get no more money out of him.
If you push, the only hands you really have to worry about are AA, 66, 99 and combo draws. But, I think by pushing you can probably get him to call with a alot of worse hands than those four, so pushing is probably the best value. By flat calling, you are less likely to have him get stupid with hands at a disadvantage to yours.
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#27
10-03-2007, 08:31 PM
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Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....
I think the main thing is.. how often can he fire 3 barrels here?
Let's say you call and turn is a 2x, and he fires 900 what do you do? Call? And if he fires all-in on river (1500-1600~) what do you do? I think if villian is capable of firing 3 barrels you need to fold, and if villian can only fire 2, I don't mind a call on flop and call on turn.
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#28
10-03-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....
Misread stack sizes. I def. raise though, just not a push.
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