NL Cash $600 vs J Arieh

[mayday4379]

just started playing, no reads, just that he's an a-hole on tv.

Full stacks and he's been playing tight, even on the button.

Hero has 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button and raises to $15.
He calls.

Flop: pot $30
6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

he checks, hero bets $25 and gets called.

Turn: Pot $80
6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
He leads into me for $55, I call.

River: $190
4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he leads into me for $125. Keep in mind, he's J Arieh so he's probably used to getting played and probably has a wider calling range.

With that being said, do i call or raise? If I raise, i assume i call a push from him.

[shyturtle27]

One hand beats you, right? RAISE!

[Nichomacheo]

I don't see how you couldn't raise here.

The hands that beat you are TT, 6T, and 65. You're holding the 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so (assuming he's not calling raises with offsuit crap hands): 65cc, T6hh, T6cc plus the three TT combinations. Given that he didn't c/r on that flop, I don't see how he can win long term playing 65s and T6s this way. He didn't three-bet, so I doubt he has TT, but its possible. None of the hands that beat you make sense. So, you're pretty safely ahead.

Are there weaker hands that'll call you? That's debatable -- depends on your image and his. Without anything more, you have to raise.

If he has 65cc, cooler.

[Nichomacheo]

Oh, yeah: Who folds to a river 3-bet?

[mayday4379]

i don't think i can fold to the 3bet just becaues i'm sure everyone tries to bluff him...

[ChicagoRy]

Your odds to call a river shove are going to be insane as well. There's not a ton behind to fold with if you raise the river.

[cwar]

Pretty easy raise in my book, also fwiw JA is not an [censored] on TV hes just better than everyone and he knows it.

[alavet]

AGRESSIVE FOLD

[jakeduke]

wtf any option other than getting AI is insane. JA could have any 6 or flush, and there's like one hand that beats you. I think you could just shove, but raising to like 360 or whatever is fine too. i'm like 99% sure this is a bbv post though, so I guess fold to the bet b/c villain has TT [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

to those who asked about getting 3bet, seriously i'd beat him into the pot. i don't understand how we're not fist pumping all over the place about the spot we're in here. am i missing something?

[Dromar]

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... probably has a wider calling range.

With that being said, do i call or raise? If I raise, i assume i call a push from him.

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Are you kidding? You know you boated up, right?

You gotta raise this, and, as mentioned above, you'll likely be forced into calling a push because of the enormous pot odds being offered. In fact, pushing might even be reasonable here. You'd be pushing ~375 more into an already ~450 pot. That's a pretty huge raise though, and I don't see him calling with a whole lot.

EDIT: I think a better question about this hand is how much should we raise?


He bets 125 on the river, leaving 380 behind. What's the best raise amount here?