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#1
10-06-2007, 01:15 PM
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Optimal?
Is this a good way to give shortstackers a taste of their own medicine? Optimal play?
Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG+1: $950 MP1: $1,201.25 MP2: $1,227 CO: $249.25 Hero (BTN): $935 SB: $157 BB: $200 UTG: $1,296 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $935 and is All-In</font> 
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#2
10-06-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: Optimal?
Sounds +EV.
Dont know the SC numbers off hand but I bet the number for AQ is > 40 and I assume you can divide by two for two opponents. You could probably use software like SNQWIZ (there is a chip equity option) and assign calling ranges to them both. Optimal would be a different debate but yes - a taste of their own medicine is goot for them.
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#3
10-06-2007, 01:23 PM
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Re: Optimal?
I don't like how you played that cause I think your hand is too weak for that line. If one of the blinds wakes up with say AK, JJ+ they'll def you call you and you might be in pretty bad shape. If they both fold you have invested 935$ to win 15 plus some advertising value maybe.
I wouldn't mind this line though with AK, QQ+ thoughto mix it up a little. Just make a normal raise, in case you get reraised or of one them shoves you can still reevaluate.
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#4
10-06-2007, 01:31 PM
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Re: Optimal?
I think it's fine. They are about 5.9% likely to show up with a super premium hand there JJ+ or AK (from pokey's post on blind stealing) 17*$15 = $255 FE and we have 29% equity even when they call with that range. The rest of their range is a coinflip against us.
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#5
10-06-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: Optimal?
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you have invested 935$ to win 15. [/ QUOTE ] read the HH again...effective stacks are $200
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#6
10-06-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: Optimal?
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Sounds +EV. Dont know the SC numbers off hand [/ QUOTE ] Pardon my ignorance..but what is this? (SC numbers)
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#7
10-06-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: Optimal?
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The rest of their range is a coinflip against us. [/ QUOTE ] And the occasional AJ, AT-
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#8
10-06-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: Optimal?
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[ QUOTE ] you have invested 935$ to win 15. [/ QUOTE ] read the HH again...effective stacks are $200 [/ QUOTE ] Ok, right. You have invested effectively 200 to win 15...Still a normal raise would achieve the same but I guess I understand your reasoning for your move. Just not my fav play...
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#9
10-06-2007, 01:42 PM
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Re: Optimal?
Assume they will call with AK, JJ+ thats 3.9% of hands.
Your equity against this range is 35% I have simplified by giving them both $200.00 and assuming they will never both call. My rough calculations 92.2% You win Blinds $15.00 = $13.83 2.73% (7.8% x 35%) You are called and win pot $400.00 = $10.92 5.07% (7.8% x 65%) You are called and lose pot -$400.00 = -$20.28 Equity from shove = $4.47. Pretty close, +EV but high variance. If they play predictably then a 3bb raise should steal their blinds a lot of the time and you can get away from a re-raise easy enough.
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#10
10-06-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: Optimal?
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[ QUOTE ] Sounds +EV. Dont know the SC numbers off hand [/ QUOTE ] Pardon my ignorance..but what is this? (SC numbers) [/ QUOTE ] Sklansky Chubranov Numbers (Spelling?) In short if you are in the SB with a given hand and the BB has a certain stack or smaller you can shove all in and the BB could not profit (in the long term) even if - He knew your cards - He had a perfect poker brain and could calculate equity instantly. Thats a poor explaination, get a copy of NLTAP - all in there.
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