2/5 NL *Super Deep* - Page 2

selurah · #11 05-06-2006, 10:56 AM

I thought for prolly 2-3 minutes(not fully sure of exact time but it was long enough for someone to call time, which i had not seen happen in 12 hours at the table). I usually act instantly b/c I hate people who hold the game up WPT style, but for once I felt like I had a decision that was so tough I could not choose.

I guess my question is, How deep do I need to be to let this go? At the time, I thought laying down was the best move. However, looking back I can't see how folding can ever be +Ev long term in that spot.

eurythmech · #12 05-06-2006, 10:59 AM

I can't belive I am actually taking my time to post an argument for a call here, when it's such a bleeding easy call...

If you think your preflop reraise makes villain put you on a very strong hand preflop, why would he push the nuts?
Would he expect a call from aces?

selurah · #13 05-06-2006, 11:04 AM

My exact thinking after he pushed.

FoxwoodsFiend · #14 05-06-2006, 11:10 AM

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selurah · #15 05-06-2006, 11:17 AM

Saint,

Why a dumb thread? This is 500BB's deep. I think there is a legimate argument for getting away from this hand here. When he moved in it was still 500 BB's to me to call. I mean David would crap his pants with exasperation if I called here right? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

selurah · #16 05-06-2006, 11:27 AM

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Yes he was awful, but even awful players wake up to monsters every once in a while, no?

FoxwoodsFiend · #17 05-06-2006, 11:32 AM

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1. You have a set against a player you describe as awful

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Yes he was awful, but even awful players wake up to monsters every once in a while, no?

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Listen, obviously you're not good here 100% of the time. There's no logical proof that he never has KK here. But if he would make such a big bet with KK here, we have to assume that he has just no conception of how to gain value from hands. And if he's got that hole in his game he's probably got other similar holes such as pushing with a flush draw here, blind to the fact that he's risking a lot to win a little. Or thinking AA or AK is the nuts on this board and betting it like he would KK. There are all sorts of absolutely retarded ways that people think about poker, and given your description and his 500BBs open push, my guess is villain has mastered many of them.

TheWorstPlayer · #18 05-06-2006, 11:34 AM

In general I agree with you. But it is quite possible, even plausible, that he does not understand pot odds and therefore chases like a donkey but he is also so weak/tight that when he is BETTING he is strong and when he is MASSIVELY OVERBETTING he has the nuts. That is not inconsistent at all.

Triumph36 · #19 05-06-2006, 11:37 AM

Yes, there is a legitimate argument for getting away from this hand. It is as follows,

"I only have $2500 to my name and to call this will cost that much. Boy, wouldn't it suck if I lost this pot? Okay, I fold."

If you had a bankroll of $25K you would call this all day and not even think twice about it.

selurah · #20 05-06-2006, 11:40 AM

Ok here is some dialogue between me and villain in the ~ 3 minutes i was thinking.

me: (long pause after he moves in b/c i am just blown away on what he could have)

villain: "trust me you want to fold and move on"
me: "your really pushing that much money on AK"
villain: "nah, i got better than AK"
me: "so do I"
villain: quits talking
me: "better than AK?", "AA?", "KK?"

Some bozo who isn't in the hand, but has watched a WPT episode has called clock in between me and villain BS'n back in forth.