WSEX: Official Thread: August & September. (#12 of 13.)

[Rogue5]

what is the timeline for a cashout via check to the US from WPEX? I requested it a long time ago, a couple weeks if not a month...
it hurt me to cashout, I love the site, but with no one else playing there I just didn't want to have the $ tied up.

[jafeather]

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Let me ask a simple question, why can't WSEX not afford a senior programmer staff.

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Because they paid us to play there for a year and a half and are just barely charging us for playing their now?


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The software is the worst in the industry

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IMHO it is not.


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the mouse gets stuck

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I don't have this problem.


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you don't see the rivercard by a showdown when you get moved to another table

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Fixed on latest update.


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it is incompatible with playing on other pokerclients at the same time.

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I routinely am running WPEX and at least one other client. No problems.


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Its just like the software was written ten years ago and the staff doesn't know how to improve it.

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Do you have any idea what poker clients looked like ten years ago?


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Let your programmers just play a week on other pokersites and they will see what crap they have developed.

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WPEX is not the best software. The contrast is nowhere as bad as you make it sound, though. And do you really think that WPEX's staff isn't aware of what other sites are like?



Listen....WPEX needs improvement. No one here has ever stated it is perfect. I am all for brainstorming ways to make the site better. Posts like yours, though, are composed of nothing but vague pissing and moaning with no real suggestions other than "get better dammit!" If you have some specific ideas and suggestions...I think we're all open to hearing them.

[jafeather]

My thoughts on ways to improve WPEX (some repeats from July):

- Move tourney blind levels to 15 minutes.
- Move VIP tourney blind levels to 20-30 minutes, and increase starting chips.
- Move SNGs to time-based blind increases.
- Switch to 6-max SNGs.
- Insert new blind levels in MTTs between some of your more drastic increases.
- Make it so reloading at cash tables is a much quicker process.
- Add some nightly $20 or $25 tourneys with $700-$1000 guarantees.
- Implement a FPP store, and increase the number of higher FPP buy-in tourneys. Perhaps some FPP SNGs?
- Lower the number of freerolls...do something better with the money.
- Make "Aces Never Lose" payments automatic.
- Satellites into your "Higher Stakes" tourneys...including SNG sats. Help these things fill.
- Have at least one WSOP seat package tourney. You're a small site, so start the qualifying early.
- Have a VIP Only WSOP Tourney. If you're doing $15K added a week already, then have this tourney have 1 or 2 WSOP seats added.
- When I found your site a few years ago, it was because of a commercial I saw on CNBC. Now that you're getting a little rake, let's get the ads running again.
- Add some of the more convenient funding methods. Stay competitive in this.
- First time deposit bonus. Occasional reload bonuses.
- Make bonuses challenging to receive. Fish don't know the difference and whores don't hit and run the site.

[Lorenza]

Tell me one site which has a worse software.

If the software wouldn't be that bad, traffic would have been better than Stars or FT.
Who wouldn't have played rakefree with a first class software.

Jay Leno once said in his show, let GM's or Ford's CEO drive around the block in a Honda or Toyota and they will know why they have a deficit.

With this software WSEX can't succeed, either they join a Network or they remodel their software from ground zero.

It's a fact.

[Shandrax]

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WPEX is not the best software. The contrast is nowhere as bad as you make it sound, though. And do you really think that WPEX's staff isn't aware of what other sites are like?

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Fact is: WPEX has the best rake-offer on the market, but instead of gaining customers, they are losing them. Don't tell me "it's not that bad". It is obviously not good enough and they must be doing something wrong that other sites are doing right.

Once again it is time to review the conceptional differences and the first one that comes to my mind is the inability to use Poker Ace. If that is what people need to play their A-game and if that is what they want, then let them have it. It is like doping, if everyone is doing it, it doesn't hurt the competition. Datamining is just one example from a long list of issues with this site.

[Shandrax]

I am going to repeat my number one idea to steal all NL traffic worldwide:

Make it optional (checkbox or button) to "run it twice" in NL cash-games. So whenever you got an all-in situation and both players agree on it, deal out the cards twice and chop the pot if needed. Alternatively, simply offer "run it twice"-tables to eliminate decision time.

[jafeather]

In response to Shandrax's post:

I did not mean "the state of the site's not that bad." I meant "The software's not as bad as Lorenza's making it." I also appreciate you doing what needs to be done in suggesting improvements. I like your "run it twice" idea. I doubt it alone would help the site, but it's the kinda thing that nowhere else offers that can draw attention to a site.

[jafeather]

In response to Lorenza's post:

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A)Tell me one site which has a worse software.

B)If the software wouldn't be that bad, traffic would have been better than Stars or FT.
C)Who wouldn't have played rakefree with a first class software.

D)Jay Leno once said in his show, let GM's or Ford's CEO drive around the block in a Honda or Toyota and they will know why they have a deficit.

E)With this software WSEX can't succeed, either they join a Network or they remodel their software from ground zero.

F)It's a fact.

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This response does nothing to suggest anything. I don't understand what good anyone gets from "waaaahhhhh it needs fixed" posts, without any suggestions about what's specifically wrong or how to improve it. Nonetheless, I will attempt to address your mostly pointless issues.

A) Again, this is a total matter of opinion. IMHO, wpex is not the worst software. I play some on sportsbook.com, and IMO their software is way, way worse and is not the only one.

B) I have no idea where you get this from. This is just a random thought based on nothing remotely tangible.

C) People who must have HUDs. People who must play on sites that allow more than 4-tabling. People who don't want to jump through hoops to get money on a site. People who don't want to wait forever for a check. Fish who don't understand the importance of no-rake.

Policy is a larger reason people do not play than software...again imo.

D) Again....do you really think wpex doesn't know what the other sites software is like?

E) There are many reasons WPEX may or may not succeed, software is just a piece of the much larger puzzle.

F) It is not a fact. It is an opinion.

[Mitch Evans]

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Tell me one site which has a worse software.

If the software wouldn't be that bad, traffic would have been better than Stars or FT.
Who wouldn't have played rakefree with a first class software.



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Dude, are you high? It's not the software. To explain why, let's go back to 2003 for a second.

2003- Small site Party has [censored] software and 2,000 players. WPT airs and has their host, Mike Sexton, telling all the fish to go to partypoker.com (com ads were allowed then). Site hits 10,000 players in a month and can not handle the traffic.

Multiple crashes daily were the norm (much worse than wsex a year ago), and support was horrible. They still have a horrible support reputation (even though support is now stellar in comparison to their 2003 staff). Despite these issues, the site flourished. Why? The software didn't improve until they had over 50,000 players, yet in 2004, with [censored] software and [censored] support, they had surpassed Stars' numbers.

[MicroBob]

Party still had kind of crappy software even after they surprassed 50k players.

Others mentioned the MTT buy-in's.
Sorry to rip on WPEX because I really like them and what they are trying to do. But I think it's almost laughable that they have $5 and $10 buy-in's and then when they decide to add higher buy-in's they toss in $100, $300 and $500 MTT's that almost anyone can see is not going to draw many/any participants.

I don't follow it all too much over there but it wouldn't surprise me if almost none of those $500 tourneys ever went off.

They actually do have a $20 level but it's conveniently scheduled at 5:30am.
maybe they have them at other times throughout the week but it looks like it's just this one time per day.
Looks like they also throw in one $25 MTT per week.

It's just weird.
They have a bunch of $2, $5 and $10 buy-in MTT's.
So when people request they had some MTT's at slightly higher stakes it's like they're saying, "Okay then, here's a $100, $300 and $500. Is that high enough for you?"

I don't know if they would have that many people play $20's and $30's and $50's anyway.
But skipping that level and then adding up to $500 MTT's is just ridiculous.