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Re: KTs Bet sizing
Make it 180 pf (360)
Then you can bet 240 on flop. (480+360= 840 total) Then ~600 on turn (~2kish total turn) Then you can shove river with it not making it look like an overbet, and you get max value. |
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
Results: 1,960 Pot
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON 1,960 (+980 NET) BB mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Tens) and LOST (-980 NET) BB proceeded to call me a horrible player and an idiot (icing on the cake to me). Improved betting for me but felt like it was still weak. Awesome advice. Thanks! |
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
Not that it matters, but why was BB calling you an idiot? I agree that you could/should have gotten more value here, but there was certainly nothing majorly wrong with how you played it (except the preflop minraise).
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
I couldn't figure out why he thought it actually. I don't take that kind of bait. Just told him thanks. Previous hand I was in CO and dealt AA. One limper from MP, I went 4bb. Villain above called from the button, BB called. MP went all in (he was stack leader), I shoved and the other two folded. Hit a set on the river but had him beat even without it. Dug a bit and haven't found any play I"d call stupid.
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
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Results: 1,960 Pot Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON 1,960 (+980 NET) BB mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Tens) and LOST (-980 NET) [/ QUOTE ] Nit picking, but if he mucked, how do you know his hand? Or am I just missing the sarcasm? |
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
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[ QUOTE ] Results: 1,960 Pot Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON 1,960 (+980 NET) BB mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Tens) and LOST (-980 NET) [/ QUOTE ] Nit picking, but if he mucked, how do you know his hand? Or am I just missing the sarcasm? [/ QUOTE ] I noticed that too. FullTilt reports it that way. Raw logs: Seat 5: themtking98 (big blind) mucked [Qc Td] - two pair, Queens and Tens He did show. Not sure why the logs say mucked. |
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
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[ QUOTE ] Results: 1,960 Pot Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON 1,960 (+980 NET) BB mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Tens) and LOST (-980 NET) [/ QUOTE ] Nit picking, but if he mucked, how do you know his hand? Or am I just missing the sarcasm? [/ QUOTE ] Turns out that FullTilt (and maybe Poker Stars) logs every hand on show downs even if in game the player mucked. PAHud uses this to display even mucked hands. |
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
reread bond's article... i believe u may have missed the point.. no insult to u of course but with this hand u def need to find a way to get it all in on the river.
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Re: KTs Bet sizing (oops typo it\'s KJs)
Fear not, I'm posting for criticisms not an ataboy. I was pleased with the hand and played it better than I would've pre reading bond's article but felt I still had room for improvement.
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Re: KTs Bet sizing
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Make it 180 pf (360) Then you can bet 240 on flop. (480+360= 840 total) Then ~600 on turn (~2kish total turn) Then you can shove river with it not making it look like an overbet, and you get max value. [/ QUOTE ] i definitely need to work on thinking a hand thru like this. I think these analytical skills help A LOT in cash games as well. There are lots of hands where you really are just trying to get all the money in the middle and by knowing what to bet each street as to price them in or make a large river bet look unsuspicious. I tend to try and lock down what the holdings of my opponent and what they would do with those holdings and how they would react to what I am going to do. So basically, i play street by street very carefully. It seems like I am not focusing enough on pot manipulation. How important is pot manipulation and how can i improve on making my lines look like above, that make sense, and have a good shot of getting max value. My style of play includes a decent amount of re-raising with minimal showdowns, so I rarely ever get to play all 3 streets. Any advice would be awesome guys, thanks. |
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