What are you more likely to do? *Poll*

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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fwiw Oink this WA WB line is way more likely in position, and Im surprised u think its uncommon, like Miles said in similar threads tons of people on this site would advocate not raising the flop or turn with a T here


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Oink asserting that Tx is uncommon here is a classic example of someone who just makes up facts out of nowhere to support their viewpoint. If Oink was honest with himself there is no way he would believe what he's saying. Miles basically caught him in the act and I'm just here giving the recap.

[Oink]

[censored] you ILP and learn to read

Reread post and realize that I was talking about my games in which WA/WB is dead.

Obviously you will see it more on AP where the average AF for 2p2'ers is 0.9 but I wasnt talking about that.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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[censored] you ILP and learn to read

Reread post and realize that I was talking about my games in which WA/WB is dead.

Obviously you will see it more on AP where the average AF for 2p2'ers is 0.9 but I wasnt talking about that.

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This is what I'm talking about Oink, both these realities you just mentioned are complete fabrications.

Your'e just making stuff up to support your claim. It's funny/interesting to note that my dad uses this same approach when I argue with him, and when I point this out to him I get the same kind of [censored] you response. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Oink Im also willing to accept the possibility that youre not making things up but rather your perception of reality is just extremely warped.

[Oink]

Go tell your dad a guy who owns you online says to kick your ass [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously. WA/WB is dead where I come from.

This thread is silly now. We all agree on what to do against this guy and now we are debating how games play at various sites.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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Go tell your dad a guy who owns you online says to kick your ass [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously. WA/WB is dead where I come from.

This thread is silly now. We all agree on what to do against this guy and now we are debating how games play at various sites.

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You dont own me online. Im a ghost online. I come, get the money and vanish without ever being detected. You cant own something that doesnt exist. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] My 53 year old dad can kick my ass but thats becuz I'm a pussy and that's really not relevant to our discussion.

I question the validity of your claim. Whenever someone makes any statement about any large population with nothing more than anecdotal evidence it is only prudent to be very skeptical of such a claim.

Heres a few statements by you that I'll talk about:

"But where I come from I see the WA/WB line like once every 20k hands."

I highly doubt this statement is true, but even if it was, this insight doesnt really help us on the river once were raised.

"Villain just doesnt have Tx here. I dont care how unrealistic it is for him to c/r/c 77, 88, 99, JJ, AK, AQ it is more unrealistic for him to have Tx."

Once a party regular raises the river, you need to update your analysis. You and DeathDonky are dramatically underestimating the amount of new information a river raise confers. The supposed reality that most party regulars dont take wa/wb lines with Tx in this spot is almost meaningless once we are raised on the river.

In order to 3bet this river profitably you need a very specific read. Relying on a general read is just gonna cost you money in this marginal situation.


"Against a regular in a party midstakes I am insta 3-betting fwiw."

This is where I thought you were lying/just making up facts becuz this advice is beyond terrible and I dont believe you would ever 3bet this river against a party regular. Ironically, I was actually giving you credit by calling you a liar.

And BTW, this was already one of the worst threads in 2+2 history before I joined in, and I think Joetall should feel embarrassed for even making this thread. I believe my contributions have debased this thread even further and I will take pride in that.

[acehole60]

fwiw I agree with Miles in this thread. I'll call the river and expect to lose a fair amount of the time to a T.

And on the disussion about JTs being equal to JJ I think a villain will me much more tempted to call down JT here. Afterall there's QT, KT and AT that makes quite a lot of combos we're behind to - hence the wa/wb.

[Oink]

wow you were actually serious.

Ok then...

errrhm. Cant say more than I already did. If you choose not to believe me thats fine.

Maybe its an image thing. The fact that I dont play 22/17 PF makes people not take WA/WB lines against me... dunno

Maybe its just because the regulars at party are more trixxy than what you are use to... dunno


But the fact remains. People dont take WA/WB lines where I come from. Its dead. Villains in my games dont have Tx here. Ever! Its not up for debate. They dont. For everytime they have a T they are c/r/c'ing with Ak 100 times. 100000 times even. Make that infinity...

Now if you dislike money then in my games you should just call. I, however, like money as I need them, so I 3-bet that river and feel pretty damn good about it.


AGAIN FOR THE STUPID ONES I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT JOE TALLS HAND HERE!

[ILOVEPOKER929]

"But the fact remains. People dont take WA/WB lines where I come from. Its dead. Villains in my games dont have Tx here. Ever!"

This is a faulty premise for 3betting the river. What youre saying is an argument for betting the river, not a valid argument for 3betting the river. Once youre raised on the river you have to update your assumption. The new information of the river raise itself trumphs any anecdotal information you have amassed.

That is why you need a very specific read to 3bet this river profitably and this is why Miles anus isnt feeling well.

[TheHip41]

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wow you were actually serious.

Ok then...

errrhm. Cant say more than I already did. If you choose not to believe me thats fine.

Maybe its an image thing. The fact that I dont play 22/17 PF makes people not take WA/WB lines against me... dunno

Maybe its just because the regulars at party are more trixxy than what you are use to... dunno


But the fact remains. People dont take WA/WB lines where I come from. Its dead. Villains in my games dont have Tx here. Ever! Its not up for debate. They dont. For everytime they have a T they are c/r/c'ing with Ak 100 times. 100000 times even. Make that infinity...

Now if you dislike money then in my games you should just call. I, however, like money as I need them, so I 3-bet that river and feel pretty damn good about it.


AGAIN FOR THE STUPID ONES I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT JOE TALLS HAND HERE!

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oink, the villian in this hand is a solid looking player.

a solid looking player raised the river expecting you to always call, hence, it's a money value raise.

ilp and i have commented, and i think it applies here, if someone plays a hand in a strange way, always look the the last street, because that is going to be the street with the best info for you.

You just got value raised when the top card pairs.

Granted, if you have a read he will play worse hands this way, then 3betting/calling a cap might be the best play, but without a specific read, it's really bad.

[DeathDonkey]

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And BTW, this was already one of the worst threads in 2+2 history before I joined in, and I think Joetall should feel embarrassed for even making this thread. I believe my contributions have debased this thread even further and I will take pride in that.

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I agree with this but I am laughing because its only going to get worse. Joe folded so we'll never even know the results!

-DeathDonkey