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Old 11-20-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 - Huge draw deep vs. FTP pro

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waaaaay less often than we get it in versus 2-pair/set. I seriously think we are a dog to his All-In range.


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agree.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 - Huge draw deep vs. FTP pro

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we dont want to get stuck here and we polarize him pretty hardcore if we do.

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I've seen a lot of use of this new 2+2 fav word "polarize" and its generally ok and understandable but wth does this sentence mean?
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 - Huge draw deep vs. FTP pro

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i dont like 3betting flop, we dont want to get stuck here and we polarize him pretty hardcore if we do.

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why does everyone try so hard to use that stupid word polarize so much?

did aba say it in one of his videos or something?
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:57 PM
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Flop 3bet is pretty good because we get it in vs 9x[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or 78[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] pretty often and don't get moved off our hand by air and it's good for image and everything.

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waaaaay less often than we get it in versus 2-pair/set. I seriously think we are a dog to his All-In range.

[/ QUOTE ]I definately wouldn't go so far as to say getting it in is -ev, but I think calling is better.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 - Huge draw deep vs. FTP pro

3betting flop is good because he might fold. and him folding when we have Q high is a very good outcome..
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 - Huge draw deep vs. FTP pro

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Flop 3bet is pretty good because we get it in vs 9x[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or 78[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] pretty often and don't get moved off our hand by air and it's good for image and everything.

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waaaaay less often than we get it in versus 2-pair/set. I seriously think we are a dog to his All-In range.

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we might be a slight dog, thats not the point. the point is that we have very, very good EV and there is a pretty big pot sitting in front of us. what happens if you call and the turn comes the 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and he pots it? call and fold river? i'm not saying 3betting is the only possible line, but with these stacks and this board its a pretty reasonable way to make sure you dont do anything thats really, really -EV later in the hand.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 - Huge draw deep vs. FTP pro

I agree 3-betting is +EV.

However, I think playing it slower is more +EV due to positional/informational advantages. I.e. we can make much better decisions and get the money in (or not in) correctly with much better frequency on later streets.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:19 PM
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Meh looking at this again I wanted to call so we could make a sick calldown later with Q hi but he probaby has too much stupid [censored] in his range to just call flop.
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:09 AM
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3betting flop is good because he might fold. and him folding when we have Q high is a very good outcome..

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youre a better poster than this...
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:25 AM
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3betting flop is good because he might fold. and him folding when we have Q high is a very good outcome..

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youre a better poster than this...

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hmm, is my logic flawed? it seems like 3betting flop is good because of FE, the fact that we widen the range with which we are aggressive in a particular line (which is never a bad thing), and that we sometimes get it in vs a worse draw and have lots of equity.
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