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Old 11-02-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default $16 set on river against unknown

Hey. No stats on opponent. On flop he tanked and then called and checked turn fairly quickly,I think a decent amount of the time this is a draw. Value in raising the riv? I feel worse hands don't pay me off and he can have JT here. FWIW I called and it set up another hand absolutely beautifully and I doubled through him. I think most will say too passively played.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t2235)
UTG+1 (t1480)
CO (t1775)
Button (t2585)
SB (t385)
BB (t5040)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t150

Flop: (t550) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t320</font>, BB calls t320

Turn: (t1190) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1190) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">BB bets t400</font>, Hero calls t400
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:28 PM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

ya this is an *omg* shove
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:31 PM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

i think you need to raise river, as he might show up w/ two pair. sometimes he has teh nuts, but i think i just pay the man if he does. i think i like a cbet of a little more as well. curious about other thoughts.

thoughts on open folding the 88 utg?
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

I think I was so shocked from hitting set on riv that I just made the phil hellmuth instacall shove chips in middle kinda call and forgot I had some behind. The play led to to a hand where I doubled through and play the hand the same way except shove riv... I think bvb w/ my QT TT5 flop, he checks, I bet, he calls. Turn J, he checks, I check behind. Riv A, he bets 800, I shove, he tanks and calls.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:34 PM
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6 handed and decent stack for the blinds, I figure I have decent maneoveurability (sp I know...) w/ 88 utg here. Limp is better?
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

Wow open folding 88 6 handed doesn't sound good at all, i think raising standard and limping are both fine, we have got some space here, although id raise 300 here to discourage call from bb especially.

As for the river i guess its a raise when only TJ is a hes logical holding you should be afraid of, and well, he would pay of with many worse hands, hes big stack and can "afford" that.
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

I would open fold it with a &lt;15BB stack.
Raising with this stack is fine.
Not raising/pushing the river is a mistake IMO, one that I make also a lot.
I don't know why I don't raise at such a spot, I think I see monsters under my bed and just want the pot quick without further play.
Anyone else that has/had this leak and has a good reason for it?
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

[ QUOTE ]
I would open fold it with a &lt;15BB stack.
Raising with this stack is fine.
Not raising/pushing the river is a mistake IMO, one that I make also a lot.
I don't know why I don't raise at such a spot, I think I see monsters under my bed and just want the pot quick without further play.
Anyone else that has/had this leak and has a good reason for it?

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Folding with less than 15BBs is a leak, you should be shoving there. The raise with your stack is good here and definitley shove this river he will pay you off with sooo many hands other than a straight.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:31 AM
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Default Re: $16 set on river against unknown

Wow, shove.
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