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Old 07-07-2007, 01:33 AM
MYNAMEIZGREG MYNAMEIZGREG is offline
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Default Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

Villain here is deerchaser21. He is really, really strange. Today he got his stack from running good. He plays around 50/25 but he is really tough, in all honesty. He plays strangly, for example checking behind in a 3bet pot on the flop with KK on a a TT9 board, with a fd, but then potting Q7 turn/river when BDFD hits and when potting it with KK 2 streets becomes really thin but I'm pretty sure he doesn't know that. In my opinion here the river spade doesn't matter because I have a good read that his turn play cannot be a draw. I had a hand with him where he potted a draw and did not fire when he missed (in fact I've never seen a missed draw bluff from him) the next street after (the spot was THE SPOT to do it if he ever was gonna).

He took about one second to PSR the flop, thought for about 3 seconds on the turn, and INSTANTLY potted the river. His aggression levels are .83 pre, 1.02 flop, 2.5 turn, 2.11 river, overall 1.04.

What's your play, and does your play change on a 6o river?

Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $7,918.50
Hero (BB): $7,525.25
UTG: $2,751.00
MP: $3,104.00
CO: $5,943.50
BTN: $472.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 (6 Players)
4 folds, SB calls $15.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $75.00</font>, SB calls $50.00

Flop: ($150) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $150.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $600.00</font>, Hero calls $450.00

Turn: ($1350) 2 (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1,350.00</font>, Hero calls $1,350.00

River: ($4050) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $4,050.00</font>,
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:42 AM
berserk berserk is offline
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

Seems like he can easily have 55 or a flush here. I certainly fold here as very few people can make such a big bluff, and when your hand looks pretty strong to be calling the turn he can't expect you to fold the river often. I think if the river is a non-spade 6 it's tougher, as he could be thinly potting something like 78, and as such i think i would call.
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:51 AM
aislephive aislephive is offline
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

If you think that he never has a draw on the turn I don't see how you can fold the river.
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:54 AM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

Why didn't you raise the turn?

I think that's the best way to get the money in good vs. his range.
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

gross spot, my main argument for calling is he is so loose that hands like J5o could be in his range (where a LAG or Tag is more likely to have something like 75s or 76s) and he could show up with a total air bluff often enough.

also, I like the turn, but I might Yeti the flop smallish.
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:58 AM
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

I probably call vs deerchaser because hes retarded and plays terribly
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:00 AM
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

raise turn or call river, i pref call river
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:06 AM
MYNAMEIZGREG MYNAMEIZGREG is offline
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

Trampo and yellowsub what are you guys putting him on?
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

M,

I have played a million hands vs deer and would never fold and usually jack the extra 2k in on the river.
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: Bigtime WTF Spot 300bb deep nut trips

Deer is absoulety awful. He never folds and makes retarded bluffs. Seriously raise the flop or turn and play for stacks.
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