2/4 nl deep play-along, interesting spot

[Surf]

2/4 nl, 800 eff stacks.

utg folds, I raise A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to $16 from the HJ, co (fish) ccs, button reraises to $70,
folded back to me.

Some info on button:

He's kind of a lagtard, 45/20ish, and i've seen him 3bet a wide range of hands, stuff like 77-TT, AJ, some suited stuff - things he should probably be seeing a flop with given how bad most of the other players are at this table. He's squeezed in similar spots before without getting caught. Arguments for calling? Reraising?

Hero...?

Surf

[TheWorstPlayer]

I'd call to keep the fish in. If the fish were a TAG, I'd re-raise.

[berserk]

What is your plan TWP if you 4bet (assuming a TAG instead of a fish) and button pushes / 5bets / calls?

[Whisper]

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I'd call to keep the fish in. If the fish were a TAG, I'd re-raise.

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This is good thinking, but i think he needs to be very fish, stackin off with TP any kicker for this to be good. I highly doubt he is going to fold to the repop pf tho, i almsot always see them call along here. I would mostly 4 bet because he is so loose, if he pushes your just sad.

[DJ Sensei]

Call because of stack sizes. getting 5-bet blows, as does getting your 4-bet called and missing. If getting your stack in preflop isnt reasonable or desirable, then don't 4-bet.

Plus if you call, the fish probably will too, and then you can maybe take his monies as well if you have him dominated.

[Surf]

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Call because of stack sizes. getting 5-bet blows, as does getting your 4-bet called and missing. If getting your stack in preflop isnt reasonable or desirable, then don't 4-bet.

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Yeah, I didn't realize this at the time but 4betting and getting called suuuuuuuuuuucks because of stack sizes.

So, I obliviously 4bet to ~$200, fish folds, lag thinks for a moment and calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

*barf*

My action?

A little other extra info: I had been surprised a few times in the past by how light he calls pot-sized 3bets preflop, both in and out of position. I thought(eternal optimism?) that he'd react in a more sane fashion to my 4bet preflop, but it's entirely possible that he called here with 77-TT or something like 87s. Implied odds analyses etc aren't exactly his forte.

Surf

[DJ Sensei]

either c/f or bet 1/2 pot. without reads that he calls the 4-bet mad light, its a c/f.

[swolfe]

yuck

so...$425 in the pot, 600 eff stacks, no pair, no draw, but we may have 6 outs or even have the best hand if he called with AQ/AJ.

if this were live, i'd have moved it all in blind before the flop got dealt.

since you said he's loose, i'm in favor of betting. even a half-pot bet pretty much commits us, so i'd rather maximize my fodl equity against pocket 8's and the like and just overbet move in.

the whole situation sucks because of the PF play with these stacks. oh well

[Praetor]

give up

[soah]

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give up

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