10/20 Commerce - top pair

[creedofhubris]

The check/raise is a move that really, really inflates a pot, and by check/raising you're basically committing yourself to a big pot. It's a dangerous move with one-obvious-pair, no-improvement-in-sight hands because it leads to exactly what you say, opponents playing perfectly against you.

[neon]

Well obviously you first need to decide if you're willing to go to the felt. That's something you know better than us, but if the Commerce 10/20 game plays anything like the comparably sized Bellagio or Borgata games (and I'm told that it's better?), I'd be pretty comfortable playing a $4k pot against the type of player you've described.

Then it just becomes a matter of whether to stick the rest in on the flop, or to just call and perhaps let villain bluff off the rest of his chips on later streets, right?

Well, if you just call his flop three-bet, there will be $1,800 in the pot, leaving villain w/ $1,100 behind, correct? I'd be inclined to believe that despite having position, villain couldn't possibly think he has much folding equity once you call the $500 reraise, and probably wouldn't stick the rest in unless he had you beat.

Also, if you just call the flop and check the turn, villain very well may check behind, giving him two shots to improve his hand. Even if your plan is to call the flop and push the turn, he still has another card to potentially make the best hand.

So I guess the best plan is to just stick it in.

You know, on the other hand, if we're correct in assuming that villain wouldn't expect much fold equity from pushing the turn if you call the flop and then check, he probably wouldn't stick the rest in on the turn unless you're beat, right?

So is it then possible that coltrane could safely call the flop and then check-fold to a turn push, saving $1,100? Dunno.

I think I still push.

[fslexcduck]

for someone who just posted about high stakes at the borgata, you seem to know awfully little about live poker. (this is sarcasm... i'm going to include this from now on so people don't take offense which they usually do).

but seriously, when you say if you call and check villain will think oh there's 1800 in the pot and i have 1100 so if i bluff hero will never fold getting 2.5 to 1, you're crazy. often he'll think... 1100!! he'll never call 1100 without something really good! that's 1100 dollars! 11 hundreds of dollars! and push. i think assuming peolpe assume no fold equity is a vast misassumption, just from my experience.