Showing One Card (after everyone has folded)

[Small Fry]

Two different rules:

1. Show one show all, SOSA
2. Show one show both, SOSB. This one sucks, imo

[mntndrew]

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You have to show all your cards at an actual showdown, don't you? Or can you do this if P2 mucks without contest if the shown cards are enough?

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Obviously your opponent no longer has cards you don't have to show yours. However that is subject to a player invoking the IWTSH or show one card show both rules if the room has those rules.

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I suppose this may be back to the etiquette rules rather than the actual rules; do you consider asking to see a full hand at showdown the same breach of etiquette as asking to see a winner that did not require showdown? If I were P2 in this situation (or anyone at the table), I would expect to see a full hand because the information *was* paid for, regardless of whether or not the shown card was enough to take down the pot.

I know the first time I played O8 in a card room, I was asked (by the dealer) to table all four cards even though I knew I was only playing for half the pot. I thought this was standard but wasn't totally sure.

[fishyak]

At Commerce, if there is a showdown and one person mucks after being shown one card, any person who was in the hand can request that both cards be shown by the winner and sometimes the dealer just demands to see two cards at a showdown before awarding the pot to the winner.

Key element: Did the hand get to a showdown?

[fishyak]

O8 is different. If you are in a showdown, you are expected to table all four cards and let the cards speak for themselves. Some many people make mistakes reading O8 hands, this is the fastest way to keep a slow game moving along.

[rivermetimbers]

this occured while i was at the Showboat in AC this summer... a player showed one card and then was made to show both, which apparently was a rule they had just instituted that day. needless to say he was pretty pissed about it

[franknagaijr]

We had a lenghty discussion about this at a Caesar's tourney in Vegas. They call the 'SOSB' rule 'needling', meaning that you cannot perform the action of showing one card with the intention of leaving your opponent wondering if your second card helped.

This is obvious not a universal rule, but enough casinos enforce it that you may wish to discreetly ask the floor before you take up the practice of needling.

[psandman]

Of course asking to see the hand is a breach of ettiquette.

Despite what you say calling a bet is not payting to see a hand, its paying to have the chance to win the pot. If calling a bet was paying to see a hand, then only the player who paid should get to see it.

Remember my response was to the issue of a player shows one card and his opponents all muck their cards based on seeing that one card, not a scenario where there are still two players with cards.

In your Omaha example i assume another player tabled his hand, in that case you must table your full hand or muck your hand.

[bravos1]

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We had a lenghty discussion about this at a Caesar's tourney in Vegas. They call the 'SOSB' rule 'needling', meaning that you cannot perform the action of showing one card with the intention of leaving your opponent wondering if your second card helped.

This is obvious not a universal rule, but enough casinos enforce it that you may wish to discreetly ask the floor before you take up the practice of needling.

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The SOSB rule is becoming much more of a standard in tourneys. I think it is even written in the WPT TDA's, but am not 100% sure and am too lazy to check right now [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[p4594spa]

At Bay 101, if you show one, u don't have to show the other even if requested if you are NOT called.

I know I will probably be lambasted for saying this, but I personally think showing one card is pretty egotistical and rude. You are taunting someone "I bluffed you haha!" or have some other motivation. If you aren't called, drag your pot, and move onto the next hand.

[psandman]

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You are taunting someone "I bluffed you haha!" or have some other motivation. If you aren't called, drag your pot, and move onto the next hand.

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I disagree that this taunting. You are giving information, just because you aren't giving full information doesn't change that. Taunting would be mucking your hand face down and saying I bluffed you. And interestingly enough there is no rule agaunst that.