Live Vegas $1/2NL vs $2/5NL

[DarthIgnurnt]

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one thing i recommend if u r playin 2/5 is to play it in a casino where it is the smallest game available.

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Yes. I just finished a trip to Vegas where this is the case (Rio mostly). The players ran the spectrum of styles, but they were consistenly bad. Locals are just as bad, just differently so. Games ranged from 6 limpers every pot, to $300 in the pot preflop every hand, depending on who was sitting down. If you're an observant player, and can beat 2/4 online, you'll be fine. Just adjust.

Some examples of the variety ...

Tourist guy plays his hands blind to any any pf raise or almost any bet post flop b/c he's only "playing for fun". Checks his cards if bet >50 or so. Calls down any piece of the flop. Raises huge on the river if he hits 2 pair+, folds if he misses, and calls with any piece. Makes every draw and people pay off his big raises on the river. Leaves +2000 after 90 minutes when a (horrible) local starts insulting him.

450 pound local calls any raise/reraise preflop, donk bets 1/3 pot oop, and folds to any pressure. Folds one hand face up (offsuit middle connectors on a KJ2 flop).

Nit smooth calls with AA in position pf and folds them face up to a 1/2 pot bet on K68 rainbow flop. He put me on exactly KK. Nope.

Tourists consistently call 3 barrels (or their entire stack, whichever comes first) holding 2nd pair no kicker. They're the ones who buy in for $100 and reload 6 times.

Guy buys in for $500, sits down and asks what a blind is. He wasn't being ironic. He limped every hand, called every pf raise, every flop bet, and folded every turn bet unless he had top pair+. He won a few pots because the lagtards insisted on bluffing with air, but he was felted after 40 minutes.

My point is that 30 minutes at a 2/5 table and you'll know who's who. A little patience and adjustment and you'll kill 2/5. Less than 10% of the players I sat with had any skill to worry about. I was able to avoid any big suckouts and was up 3K in 20 hours or so of play. Only one or two big pots.

Oh, and I play 2/4 online and am a very (very) slight winner.

[baibj03]

Darth - I agree with you 100%, but running well and not getting sucked out on does play a factor. I'm gonna be in Vegas Thur-Mon and am looking forward to picking on some tourists over the weekend. Apparently Labor Day weekend is the busiest of the summer. Then again, I guess I fall into the tourist category as well! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[orensi]

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Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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Nobody can tell you, no matter what they think. I've been in 2/5 Vegas games with players that ranged from so-so, to above average, to super aggressive shark, to WPT final tabler.

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This seems the best answer. Just remember that there are always other 2/5 games going on and if you think you stumbled upon a strong table go find a better one.
And in contrast to some of the posts here, people (usually) dont just hand you their chips in the 2/5 games.

[AceMason]

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Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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I was in that game, it wasn't that tough... if you beat 2/4nl online 5/10 is cake live "usually."

[philfan05]

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Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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Nobody can tell you, no matter what they think. I've been in 2/5 Vegas games with players that ranged from so-so, to above average, to super aggressive shark, to WPT final tabler.

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This seems the best answer. Just remember that there are always other 2/5 games going on and if you think you stumbled upon a strong table go find a better one.
And in contrast to some of the posts here, people (usually) dont just hand you their chips in the 2/5 games.

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Couldn't agree more. Table draw is such a crap shoot. I've played 2/5 against braclet winners and local pros as well as rich old people who barely know if a flush beats a straight. I recommend playing in a large poker room (MGM, Ceasars, Bellagio, or Wynn) and switching tables if need be.

[davidlong14]

move on up

[otter]

Play where you feel comfortable. If you feel great at the 2-5 and the 5-10 looks soft then give it a buyin

[jeffnc]

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i.e. if u have 20 buy ins for 400NL online that's $8000. cash out $2000 for two buy ins @ 5/10 live (100BBs each). if that doesn't work out well then u can just play 2/5 and/or 1/2 for the rest of the week. if that doesn't work out well either then drop down to the 200NL and 100NL online and rebuild ur bankroll until u can try it again (this shouldn't take too long). so either u a liar about beatin the $2/$4 online or u too much of a nit w/ ur bankroll.

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Or, he actually wants to take the advice of the thousands of players before him who advise using good bankroll management. Maroon.

[SirFelixCat]

I'll be in Vegas this wknd as well and am beating 1/2 online as well (400 still a bit off in my future). I was planning on playing at the "B" this wknd as the 2/5 is the smallest game they spread.

Is anyone still using the "sup bro" at the tables?

[wezvidz]

Someone threw me a "sup bro" at the Venetian last December and even being a 2p2er for a few years, I had no idea what it meant. I have since learned of its use.