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How do you stop this or can you?
I am getting killed in Ring and SNG's by people limping with AA, KK, AK. There isn't anyway to prevent this or recognize this unless you see a person doing this, is there? If then you recognize the person doing this your playing into his play not yours. Any Ideas!
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#2
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
You do not need to stop it. Sure occasionally you will get trapped, however the times when these opponents get 4 calls and someone who would have folded preflop to a raise outflops them more than make up for this.
Sure there are arguments for using this to vary your game, but you make money due to your opponents mistakes and most of the time this is a big one. Be happy about it! |
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
how can opponents simply limping AA/KK/AK "kill" you in games? the problem seems to be you overplaying your hands.
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
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how can opponents simply limping AA/KK/AK "kill" you in games? the problem seems to be you overplaying your hands. [/ QUOTE ] This really does seem to be the case!! On average someone gets AA 1 in 220 hands. So this should only happen very rarely... you really do have to overplay your hands to get killed by them because you will surely not call eg. an all in with just a pair in a full ring game!!! Their one pair has to be better than what you have and with AA it hardly ever happens that your opponent flops a set |
#5
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
If you have a good hand, you need to raise before the flop. A re-raise by an earlier player may force you into a tough decision and you may have to put your hand down, but at least you will have information.
To just limp into a pot gives you no information. If you continue to limp, you will have your share of playing catch-up. If you're limping with hands like A-x, you need to learn to just fold. If you have an ace with a good kicker, you need to raise to find out if someone in front of you has a real hand. Also, players in early position are more likely to make the move you just described than players in middle to late position. In early position, there is a better chance of getting the raise these players desire, so they're more likely to limp with AA or KK. So they want a raise and I'm advising a raise? Yes, it's better to establish early what you're up against as opposed to later in the hand when you have more money invested and will find it harder to put down. Yes there are a few times I call, but it sounds to me like you're limping too often. As others have advised, the AA, KK, limpers are the ones taking the chance, but just know that if you limp behind limpers, you cannot discount any hand upon seeing the flop. Players can limp with any two cards, so if you insist on playing this way, be aware that your information gathering process begins post-flop. |
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
Just learn to play better after the flop. Don't play big pots with one pair (unless you really know your opponent). If you're getting killed by AA then you would be getting killed by a raggedy two pair or a set, also.
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
Also, if I limp with aces and no one raises, I'm not thinking of how to kill anyone. I'm thinking of winning a small pot, and avoiding losing a big one.
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#8
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Re: How do you stop this or can you?
The real problem is looking at top pair, top kicker and getting the feeling that we have a hand locked up. We tend to forget about sets, two pairs and overpairs. Value bet, value bet, take away drawing odds, things are going sooo smoothly. No flushes, no straights, excellent. Wait, we get raised on the turn? ...get bet into on the river!!! WTF? The nerve.
And another thing we all tend to forget is that an unraised pot is a landmine field. Since the range of holdings in this multiway slugfest is so large, any flop could be trouble, especially for a TPTK who feels invincible. |
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