First hand i've submitted - TPTK 150bbs deep

[ipokeder]

not if you think that a bigger raise = a draw, and a smaller raise = very strong, which is what most decent players think.

also i tried not to say this but i'll say it now; i think that your analysis of bet sizes is totally arbitrary and really out there in terms of validity.

[teh_mewse]

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i think that your analysis of bet sizes is totally arbitrary and really out there in terms of validity.

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normally i'd agree with you but in this hand, deepstacked, it felt like 500 served no purpose other than to push me out

[teh_mewse]

anyways, worked out for me this time, i appreciate all the thoughts on the hand guys

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $594.00
BB: $600.00
UTG: $1,192.11
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $1,497.55</font>
BTN: $892.79

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22.00</font>, BTN calls $22.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($53) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $120.00</font>, Hero calls $85.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($293) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $170.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $500.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $1,355.55</font>, BTN calls all-in for $250.79
Uncalled bet of $604.76 returned to Hero

<font color="black">River:</font> ($1794.58) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $1,794.58 ($2 Rake)

BTN had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$892.79)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pairs, Jacks and Fours) and WON (+$899.79)

[ipokeder]

i wasn't saying that you should fold, what i was saying is that your analysis isn't rock-solid. it's a close decision and involves more guesswork than you're trying to suggest.

[teh_mewse]

also, can any 3/6 regulars tell me if i'm reading too much into these bet sizes? It felt like he was trying to push me out from the very beginning. I understand that a lot of 1/2 2/4 or 5/10 people might be posting here, but try and understand how even a few dollars extra can represent a lot of extra strength.

[ipokeder]

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also, can any 3/6 regulars tell me if i'm reading too much into these bet sizes? It felt like he was trying to push me out from the very beginning. I understand that a lot of 1/2 2/4 or 5/10 people might be posting here, but try and understand how even a few dollars extra can represent a lot of extra strength.

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well i am personally horrible, but i really don't believe that a few dollars extra in a $500+ pot should be changing your read, since i usually just haphazardly grab the slider and pull it to somewhere that feels acceptable, and i have never ever made a read based on a few dollars in a big pot.

but then again i suck so maybe everyone else has already caught on

[feesjah]

that 1.6 vs 2.6 is crucial in this hand.

someone with a 1.6 aggression factor will almost never raise a FD. so you would almost always be looking at a fh or better.

as it turns out, nice hand and nice read.

[teh_mewse]

ipoker, sorry i wasn't specific enough... i was mostly talking about the 120 flop raise. Thats ~20 higher than standard. The 500 bet was clearly quite large, around 100 higher than standard

[teh_mewse]

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someone with a 1.6 aggression factor will almost never raise a FD. so you would almost always be looking at a fh or better.

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agreed. Also, do you guys have your "include preflop action in agression factor" checked?

[indigo]

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also, can any 3/6 regulars tell me if i'm reading too much into these bet sizes? It felt like he was trying to push me out from the very beginning. I understand that a lot of 1/2 2/4 or 5/10 people might be posting here, but try and understand how even a few dollars extra can represent a lot of extra strength.

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lol, lots of players at this level give away way too much info with their bet sizing, esp e.g. with drawing hands. Obv the extra $$ not always extra strength though.