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Old 11-15-2007, 02:54 PM
JohnPreston JohnPreston is offline
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Default [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut flush - river line?

no stats on both BB and UTG.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$17.75</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$28.50</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$100.00</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$19.00</font>)
MP3 (<font color="#0000cc">$47.50</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$22.80</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$37.10</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$106.85</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$40.00</font>)
[MP1 posted $1]

Pre-flop: ($2.5, 9 players) Hero is SB T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $1, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, MP1 checks, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $1, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.5, BB checks

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($5, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3, UTG calls $3, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($14, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $8</font>, UTG calls $8, Hero calls $4

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($38, 3 players)
<font color="#0000cc"> Hero ($94.85)?</font>

I know that I should have bet more on the turn, but what's your river line as played?
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:05 PM
ship_it_trebek ship_it_trebek is offline
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

i probably b/f for about 20. i would consider raising the turn too
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

I'm 3betting the turn here always to about 25? Not sure about the bet size to be honest, but I'm looking to get it in on the river. I don't really like a bet/fold here with the second nuts. If you're planning to bet/fold here, why not just c/c?
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

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i probably b/f for about 20. i would consider raising the turn too

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They both are shorties, you can't fold if you bet.

But how I would play this hand:
I would fold preflop because KTo in mway pot sucks. Especially you are OOP.

As played, I would check the flop. Its drawy and your hand is not great. I would c/c it.

Turn I would make PSB and try to put these shorties allin and your river decision is much more easier then.

As played, I would c/c river. If you bet I doubt that any worse hand calling.
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:26 PM
ship_it_trebek ship_it_trebek is offline
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

[censored] didnt see stack sizes, if they are full stacks i think a b/f&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;c/c because its doubtful anyone is raising with anything but Ad. Definitely put them in on the turn then, and c/c river.
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

K I understand what you were saying now trebek. Thanks for clarification [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:55 PM
Johnes Benjamin Johnes Benjamin is offline
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

Turn play is absolutely terrible. You recognize you should have bet more but what about just calling his raise???
I can only assume you are trying to induce a raise with such a weak bet, and you got one, wtf are you waiting for? call is really bad. You have top 2 and 2nd nut flush draw!
shove turn

as played I think smallish bet is better than check. Weak diamonds will call bet but check behind.

river play is not the lesson to take from this hand though.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

jam the turn
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

As played just shove river as there so short, you can't fold to a bet. But you really need to raise the turn.
Any reason for you to just call the min raise?
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: [100NL] top two pair becomes 2nd nut FD - river line?

Raise the turn and and defintely shove the river given their stack size
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