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Old 05-29-2007, 06:09 PM
dirtytricks dirtytricks is offline
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Default 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

200NL 6-handed full stacks:

Villain is 19/14/3 and seems decent. No history except I have raised a lot from the button when folded to me.

Hero raises OTB with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], SB reraises to 23, hero calls.

Flop: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot is 26

Villain bets 26, hero calls.

Turn: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Pot is 100

Villain checks, hero bets 60, villain calls fast.

River: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Pot is 220

Villain immediately goes all in for 110 more.

Hero?

Comments on all streets, specially betsizing, are appreciated but I dont want to here that I should fold preflop to avoid this!!
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

ok first it is a huge huge mistake not to raise this flop IMO. then on the turn a bet is fine. and on the river i call.
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

Fold preflop when villain raises. You ain't getting odds to call and i doubt you can outplay villain by a margin big enough to justify calling here. (had to be said)
Raise flop to make the pot big enough, so you can push the turn. As played i think your bet on the turn was about the right size for villain to continue with big overpairs. River i'm inclined to call. If villain was lucky enough to hit a 2-outer, so be it and AA is the only sane hand, that beats you (except 99 maybe). Obviously there are not many hands to him on that he bets the river with and are worse than yours. But still - i doubt he instapushes when he just rivered a boat. Fishy enough to call.
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

snap call?
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

Any handreading guys?
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:36 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

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Any handreading guys?

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Too weird line. Until turn villains actions are very consistent with any hand 99+. The only sane hands pushing this river are A9, AA and 99. A9 most likely doesn't raise preflop and AA most likely doesn't _insta_push. And we're not deep enough to consider the case 99 here. Something smells and w/o decent history this should be reason enough to call considering the potodds.
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:27 PM
doppelganger doppelganger is offline
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

Villains fast call on the turn feels like a big ace who's assuming a split with something like AT/AJ. When the river Ace falls he thinks it puts his kicker back in play.

(Well...at least this scenario is likely enough to make the river a call IMO.)
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

villian is aggro, so i dont really mind flop call, usually with the plan of getting it all in on the turn.
the turn is just the worst possible card though. i probably check behind turn / call river.
as played to the river... not sure if hed play an ace like this? such good pot odds, i probably call, but expect to be beat quite often.
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

your converter messed up. pot is 48 on the flop.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Can I make this big laydown?

preflop is meh... but whatever. i'm not getting into that, but you should probably be playing reraised pots against bad players not decent ones...but like i said whatever.

FLOP: raise it everyday all day. calling isn't terrible but there's alot of turn cards that can kill your action. just raise it up and hope he has it.

TURN: bet size and everythign is good.

RIVER: meh...you're getting 3-1 and have to be good here 25% of the time. sure his hand looks like AA. But maybe he'd take a hand like TT or JJ and turn it into a bluff assuming that u can't read hands. or maybe he just got freaked out and bet the scare card cause he didn't want u to bet it. Villain's do dumb things and it's hard to let this hand go, getting these odds.
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