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Old 11-16-2007, 07:08 AM
Maunzekater Maunzekater is offline
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Default General question about how to play vs specific type of player

I need some help with adjusting my play vs a specific type of player that i see very often at party.
Correctly adjusting my play to them will improve my winrate a lot.
No doubt i will make a decent profit if i refuse to play against them and target the equally common spewtards and calling stations, but i am here to improve my game, right?

In brief, these players usually

- c-bet tons of flops (75%+)
- either double barrel very rarely (10%-) or do it 70%+
- go to showdown quite often (30-35%)
- call c-bets frequently (50-65%) when in position
- either fold to a second barrel or raise or c/r all-in on
the turn.
- don't defend their blinds (fold to steal 70%+)
- don't fold to 3bets from the blinds, they LOVE to call
from the button
- they are generally positionally aware, but don't try to
steal the blinds excessivley (20-30%)

If i play a pot vs such a player, there is usually at least
one weaker player involved. This creates a lot of difficult situations, particular when it i 3bet from the blinds.

I'd be very happy to hear some general strategic advice from other uNL'ers about how to play vs these annoying regulars.
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:22 AM
doodydota doodydota is offline
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Default Re: General question about how to play vs specific type of player

I recomend Pokey's great post generally about hand reading, but u will find some answers to your questions also.

Link: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;vc=1&nt=13
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:27 AM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: General question about how to play vs specific type of player

put yourself in their shoes
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:29 AM
Abelardo Abelardo is offline
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Default Re: General question about how to play vs specific type of player

you might get something out of this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=6054908
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:54 AM
Pokey Pokey is offline
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Default Re: General question about how to play vs specific type of player

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- c-bet tons of flops (75%+)


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Never lead. Checkraise ALL your made hands, ALL your draws, and a few of your total misses. Your opponent only has a hand 30-40% of the time, so a checkraise will be immediately profitable.

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- either double barrel very rarely (10%-) or do it 70%+


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If they rarely double-barrel, feel free to call draws on the flop; you've got two cards to hit rather than just one. If they usually double-barrel, smooth-call your good and great hands on the flop and then checkraise the turn instead: snap off both bluffs, rather than just one.

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- go to showdown quite often (30-35%)


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Bluff less, value bet more often.

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- call c-bets frequently (50-65%) when in position


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Don't raise light preflop from OOP relative to them. Tighten up and expect more value postflop.

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- either fold to a second barrel or raise or c/r all-in on
the turn.


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Double-barrel frequently. It FEELS like they're pushing the turn all the time, but in reality they're folding more than half the time. Your double-barrel is going to be immediately profitable, and it will also make your two-street value bets more disguised and (therefore) more profitable. Also, check behind on the turn with your very strong draws.

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- don't defend their blinds (fold to steal 70%+)


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Steal their blinds often.

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- don't fold to 3bets from the blinds, they LOVE to call
from the button


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Tighten up in the blinds, three-bet VERY strongly (I usually three-bet to at least 3.5 times the size of the raise from the blinds), and keep shooting.

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- they are generally positionally aware, but don't try to
steal the blinds excessivley (20-30%)


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Respect their LP raises.
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:59 AM
luke4130 luke4130 is offline
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Default Re: General question about how to play vs specific type of player

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don't fold to 3bets from the blinds, they LOVE to call
from the button

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An important point here is to open up your value 3betting range and tighten up your bluffing range. Against a tight 3bet caller, 3betting AJ and often AQ is pointless because they won't call with worse, you're essentially bluffing with a strong hand. Against someone who calls light, these raises [with AJ, AQ] can be for value, but you should cut out any 3bet pure bluffs with 56s, 87s etc. Against a tight 3bet caller, the opposite is true, I don't 3bet AJ, but i 3bet 45s all day.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: General question about how to play vs specific type of player

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put yourself in their shoes

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this is actually a really good post. think about it a little.
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