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11-03-2007, 11:57 AM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They are mercenaries for hire and there are enough conflicts in the world to keep them busy if our country is somehow at peace. [/ QUOTE ] I find this hilarious. I'm going to make a statement, let you bitch, then I'm going to explain why I'm right. Blackwater employees have never killed anyone, in any conflict, anywhere in the world, while employed by Blackwater. [/ QUOTE ] care to elaborate or are you a lawyer and going to give a very narrow definition of "confict", "employed" or "employees." I can site recent news events, but those should be known to everyone here. [/ QUOTE ] Not narrow at all. Blackwater is a temp service of sorts. Different groups (government agencies, construction contractors, truck lines etc) put in requests for specific security needs, and Blackwater fills them. If anyone is responsible for the slaughter, it's those damned construction contractors and truck lines, being so greedy as to attempt to do business. Can you believe the audacity of those [censored]? And of course don't forget those selfish diplomats, who don't want to die but have government business to conduct in Iraq. Can you believe the pure arrogance and ignorance of those [censored]??? I can't. /sarcasm. People should really find out who they're attacking and what it is exactly they do before they attack them, but then, that would require taking the time to research, which very few people do. 
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#23
11-03-2007, 04:24 PM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
DblBarrelj and Midge: I think Midge is overly negative and Dblbarrelj seems overly positive. It seems as though you have automatically taken 'corners' in this debate. Blackwater has done some good work in Iraq and after Hurricane Katrine, but they also have some hazy cases hanging around - like allegations of improper fire discipline near innocents and insufficient security measures for their own personnel. They are also very tightlipped with information about their own personnel and casualties they have taken. It is a large organization, in a business that has a history of attracting both professionals and some rotten apples. I'm sure the truth is more grey than it is black or white.
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#24
11-03-2007, 04:26 PM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
DblJ,
Dont waste your time trying to have a reasonable discussion with Midge. He simply either isnt capable of it.
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#25
11-03-2007, 04:37 PM
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DblJ, Dont waste your time trying to have a reasonable discussion with Midge. He simply either isnt capable of it. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1. The Personal Attack rule will be expanded to include calling other users trolls and generic complaints about the worth of another poster's contributions. [/ QUOTE ]
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#27
11-03-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They are mercenaries for hire and there are enough conflicts in the world to keep them busy if our country is somehow at peace. [/ QUOTE ] I find this hilarious. I'm going to make a statement, let you bitch, then I'm going to explain why I'm right. Blackwater employees have never killed anyone, in any conflict, anywhere in the world, while employed by Blackwater. [/ QUOTE ] care to elaborate or are you a lawyer and going to give a very narrow definition of "confict", "employed" or "employees." I can site recent news events, but those should be known to everyone here. [/ QUOTE ] Not narrow at all. Blackwater is a temp service of sorts. Different groups (government agencies, construction contractors, truck lines etc) put in requests for specific security needs, and Blackwater fills them. If anyone is responsible for the slaughter, it's those damned construction contractors and truck lines, being so greedy as to attempt to do business. Can you believe the audacity of those [censored]? And of course don't forget those selfish diplomats, who don't want to die but have government business to conduct in Iraq. Can you believe the pure arrogance and ignorance of those [censored]??? I can't. /sarcasm. People should really find out who they're attacking and what it is exactly they do before they attack them, but then, that would require taking the time to research, which very few people do. [/ QUOTE ] So, let me get this right. Say there is a "protection firm" called good guys limited. Now people know that this firm is a bunch of hitmen, but they never kill in the name of "good guys limited". The firm is in big demand because people always have enemies. Now, this firm does what it does and people are killed--now are you going to try to tell me that its clients are at fault because they had a need for the type of business? Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade and go from there and stop trying to kid yourself and others.
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#28
11-03-2007, 06:32 PM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
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Say there is a "protection firm" called good guys limited. Now people know that this firm is a bunch of hitmen, but they never kill in the name of "good guys limited". The firm is in big demand because people always have enemies. Now, this firm does what it does and people are killed--now are you going to try to tell me that its clients are at fault because they had a need for the type of business? [/ QUOTE ] It sounds more like to me that's what you're trying to tell me. I put the people who decide to engage a team of ex Seals and Rangers in a firefight at fault. I know if I were in that situation, it would instantly register with me that these guys were not to be toyed with.
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#29
11-03-2007, 06:40 PM
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They kill people for money. Let's not dress up the obvious. [/ QUOTE ] I am in the middle of an experiment, which, if fails, I will concede this argument to you. I have sent an e-mail from a made up address to BlackWater USA, requesting a "Disposal Project" of a bully I disliked as a child. If they respond with a price, I'll allow that they "kill people for money". If they tell me to DIAGF, I'll post the e-mail confirming that.
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#30
11-03-2007, 06:47 PM
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It is a large organization, in a business that has a history of attracting both professionals and some rotten apples. I'm sure the truth is more grey than it is black or white. [/ QUOTE ] I totally agree. I've never once said that every contractor Blackwater uses was perfect and moral. Some of these guys are downright horrible people. But, first off, sometimes that is exactly what is required, and secondly, just because you have a few bad apples doesn't mean the entire organization is corrupt. I've done some work in private security, mainly in the armored truck business, and I can tell you even doing armored trucks we had some real "cowboys". It takes time to weed them out, but eventually they do.
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