Absolute Poker and Disney

[CalvinHobbes]

Four questions:

1. Absolute Poker claims that $800,000 was stolen over a 40 day period beginning on August 14, 2007. What reason does anyone have for believing that those dates and dollar amounts represent the entirety of the cheating that has occurred?

2. Assuming that the $800,000 figure is accurate, what would be an appropriate amount for Absolute Poker to refund to its players, in light of the internal nature of the theft and Absolute's original official responses to the allegations?

3. Absolute Poker claims to have refunded $1,600,000, which works out to a refund of approximately $2 for every dollar stolen. Should one of the players who was most victimized by the cheaters be happy to have personally received a refund of approximately $1.01 for every dollar that was acknowledged as stolen?

4. If, more than a month after Absolute admitted the cheating occurred, a player is not satisfied with the company's response, what steps should that player take?

[En Passant]

Cliffnots: Retarded OP upset because you thinks AP owes him more money. How much? He's not really sure.

[mntbikr15]

1. No reason for me personally other then the play I experienced against the cheat accounts. Greycat and Steamroller were huge losers before the update and played drastically different and were huge winners after.

2. Totally personal beliefs

3. Again, personal beliefs, but no I dont think they should

4. Should take? I dont know. Can take? None

It boils down to this.
-AP has done what they are going to do and seems to be ignoring any further inquiries.
-They arent going under because of this
-The momentum against them is gone

This thread will do nothing for you, AP will look at it and laugh.

I doubt anyone will ever see the results of the "impartial audit"

Those who actually have some inside info have, for whatever reasons, neglected to release any of it.

Guess my point is I dont think anything more will ever come of this.

[mntbikr15]

Email I recieved from AP the other day



Dear Valued Customer,

We are writing to update you on events surrounding the recent security
breach on our site.

First, it is important to know that the security breach, which resulted
in unfair play, was resolved immediately after it was confirmed. The
known period of unfair playing was approximately 40 days in length,
beginning on August 14, 2007. We want to assure you that since that time,
AP’s sites have been and continue to be absolutely secure.

At this point, all players known to have been adversely impacted by the
security breach have been fully reimbursed with interest. The amount
that was illicitly ‘won’ by the illegitimate accounts was
approximately US $800,000. The amount reimbursed to players by us as a result
of the security breach to date was approximately US $1,600,000.

So far, the accounts known to have been involved are: potripper,
graycat, steamroller, doubledrag, payup, supercard55, and romnaldo. These
accounts have been closed. All players who played against these accounts
during the period in question have received refunds, plus interest, for
the net amounts lost.

This incident was a major shock to us and as a result we are continuing
our internal investigation and working on many initiatives to improve
the transparency and security of our business. In addition, the
Kahnawake Gaming Commission has engaged a third party auditor to review all
potentially affected transactions and to verify that the security breach
has been closed. If further investigation reveals that any other
accounts were fraudulent, we will refund any other affected players in the
same manner.

Obviously, we cannot refund players for games where there is no
evidence of an unfair advantage. However, if you have:

1) played and lost against these accounts during the period in question
and you have not received a refund please provide us with the
specifics (i.e. Dates and descriptions of tourney or games played against these
accounts) so we can further investigate your claims.

2) If you believe another account had an unfair advantage, please
provide us with the account name so we can investigate that account and
specific games or tournaments that you would like us to investigate.

Also, with any such request, please provide your full legal name,
address, and the name(s) of your account(s). We will process your inquiries
and respond as soon as we complete our verification. Please note that
although it will take time to process these requests, we are
conducting our internal audit as quickly as we can.

We deeply regret the damage that has been done to our players and to
our credibility within the poker community by this unfortunate incident.
We are committed to doing the right thing for our loyal customers,
affiliates, employees, shareholders and business partners, and we will
continue to work with our gaming commission and its independent auditor to
bring this incident into the full light of day and to right any wrongs.


Please understand that we are experiencing a high volume of inquiries
and we are working hard to compile specific data and process them as
quickly as possible.

Thank you for your patience and continued support.

Absolute Poker Management





Total Joke? Yes

Matters in their eyes? Nope

Matters in reality? Prob not

[CalvinHobbes]

[ QUOTE ]
1. No reason for me personally other then the play I experienced against the cheat accounts. Greycat and Steamroller were huge losers before the update and played drastically different and were huge winners after.

2. Totally personal beliefs

3. Again, personal beliefs, but no I dont think they should

4. Should take? I dont know. Can take? None

It boils down to this.
-AP has done what they are going to do and seems to be ignoring any further inquiries.
-They arent going under because of this
-The momentum against them is gone

This thread will do nothing for you, AP will look at it and laugh.

I doubt anyone will ever see the results of the "impartial audit"

Those who actually have some inside info have, for whatever reasons, neglected to release any of it.

Guess my point is I dont think anything more will ever come of this.

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I disagree with you on point 4. I do believe there is action that can be taken. My email to ESPN was one such action. I believe that there are others that can be taken and am open to other suggestions. I am personally motivated enough by the amount of money that was stolen from me and my frustration with Absolute's response to attempt to get the ball rolling again. If that means a few people make fun of me for being an idiot, so be it.

[sharkscopeaholic]

so you were playing super high stakes without pokertracker and a hud?

[CalvinHobbes]

To clarify, yes, I do have PokerTracker. Yes, the amount refunded to me seems to be in the ballpark of my PokerTracker losses to the acknowledged accounts on the acknowledged days. I am not saying that Absolute has not refunded me what they claim to have refunded me. I am saying that I do not have any reason to trust that cheating was confined to the cases they claim, and that even it was, the amount that they refunded me does not constitute appropriate compensation.

[DEAD ON IMPACT]

Calvin I lost lot's to the supposed cheaters and received about 2/3 of what I have shown lost on my pt. What I did was talk with the highest level of management you can at ap and tell them you are shorted if so you are. Then as I did send them screen shots of all of the players played that are cheated accounts. I still haven't received the rest of my money from ap but at least the COO of the company has emailed me several times that he is working on getting it to me as soon as possible (which is forever it seems).

Seems to me that you think other players that we unknowningly have played agianst could have cheated you or I out of money. From this point other than the players we have looked at it seems very unlikely we can make a case for anyother players than the ones we got.

My advice to you is send in your screenshots all of the known players you played agianst and do your best to get your full amount of money back.

[CalvinHobbes]

If you could PM me with the COO's email address I would appreciate it. I have been trying for weeks to get a response from Absolute other than recycled press releases.

[mappedout]

[ QUOTE ]
To clarify, yes, I do have PokerTracker. Yes, the amount refunded to me seems to be in the ballpark of my PokerTracker losses to the acknowledged accounts on the acknowledged days. I am not saying that Absolute has not refunded me what they claim to have refunded me. I am saying that I do not have any reason to trust that cheating was confined to the cases they claim, and that even it was, the amount that they refunded me does not constitute appropriate compensation.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's 2 points to address here:

1) You think more ppl were cheating than AP and others have discovered
I dont think anyone denies that this could have been more wide spread than ppl think/have discovered... however there is absolutely no way of knowing without concrete proof to show AP. So unless you have some there's not much to be gained from this angle.

2) You think even for the current scope of the investigation you were not compensated enough for your troubles.
If you think "the amount refunded to me seems to be in the ballpark of my PokerTracker losses to the acknowledged accounts on the acknowledged days" then i guess you're unhappy with the so called "interest" that everyone received? If this is the case then why do you think you deserve more than everyone else got? Or do you think everyone else should be getting more "interest" aswell? Personally i dont think anything but a special added money freeroll or something for the victims should've been put in place instead of "interest" and they should keep their $800k and spend it on something like... oh i dont know.... SECURITY?. How can you justify that they owe you more than what you were cheated out of?

I think your post above pretty much closes the matter for you, you're just trying to get anything you can out of AP for your own benefit...IMO