$1/$2 - TPTK on river, pretty good board... value C/R??

[catcher193]

I used to valuebet this river about 9/10 times, but I am just experimenting with things in my game at $1/$2, one of these things is checking rivers with medium-strongish hands when a lot of draws miss more often...

Obviously thats what I'm doing here, I will probably call most bets up to a full PSB, but when he bets so small I think I can get more value on this river, likey?


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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($200)
MP ($331.65)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($367.85)</font>
Button ($280.40)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($405.40)</font>
BB ($437.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $6.

Flop: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, CO calls $12.

Turn: ($42) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $32</font>, CO calls $32.

River: ($106) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>

[BDaws]

Yes, I likey, very much so.

[luckybacon]

yeah i think i play this exactly the same. nh

[SSES]

i think you can charge an extra $5-10 on the river but this is good

[cs3]

im not sure how much i like this...

we check river hoping he fires with a missed draw right?
but then we raised, so were now hoping he calls with like KQ/QJ/88 etc?

the thing is that if hes calling our river ch/r with a bare Q (he would have to suck pretty bad), then hes definitely calling if we just fire river in the first place - and we can bet signifigantly more than $70...

so i guess i much prefer either
1)betting river for 80 or so
2)check/calling river as plannned
3)or ch/r'ng an amount much more than $70 - maybe like 100-110.

[xker17x]

what are villians stats, regardless maybe raise a bit smaller so that he might try to make a hero call, maybe like 60 instead of 70 i dunno maybe thats no difference i think hes calling here with KQ outta confusion though however i dont know about weaker made hands and obv any missed draw insta folds but if thats the case u made the max by checking

[tarheeljks]

it just depends on the villain whether checking/leading the river is better. i don't think there's much value in a c/r unless he's really really bad.

[Noam Chomsky]

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im not sure how much i like this...

we check river hoping he fires with a missed draw right?
but then we raised, so were now hoping he calls with like KQ/QJ/88 etc?

the thing is that if hes calling our river ch/r with a bare Q (he would have to suck pretty bad), then hes definitely calling if we just fire river in the first place - and we can bet signifigantly more than $70...

so i guess i much prefer either
1)betting river for 80 or so
2)check/calling river as plannned

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[jfreels]

I like the check, but no point in raising

[orange]

disagree with alot of this thread, i definitely think there is value in raising here. especially given his bet sizing/play thus far (ie. limp/calling pf/etc).