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Old 08-27-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default 50NL 200BBs deep - I flop the nuts, how to extract?

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Absolute NL Hold'em Ring - 0.50/0.50
Blinds (6 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 1: Big blind ($101.05)
Seat 2: UTG ($42.35)
Seat 3: LP (Hero) ($101.25)
Seat 4: CO ($108.66)
Seat 5: Button ($18.35)
Seat 6: Small blind ($38)

Preflop: Hero is LP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises ($1), Hero calls ($1), CO calls ($1), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Small blind raises ($3), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls ($2), Hero calls ($2), CO calls ($2)

Flop: ($12.5) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Small blind bets ($10.50), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero raises ($21), CO calls ($21), Small blind folds

Turn: ($65) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero???

SB is 33/6/1 over 88 hands
CO is 56/13/.5 over 132 hands

No other reads but they are obviously both terrible. Note that I have just over 200BBs and CO covers.

How can I stack them both? Comments on all play up to turn appreciated. I'll post my turn/river line later.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:27 PM
carnivalhobo carnivalhobo is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 200BBs deep - I flop the nuts, how to extract?

raise preflop the first time ffs

if i were going to raise the flop id go bigger than this, maybe not pot, but at least 35ish.

i think id lead again here for 40, he will likely call with a heart draw and any 3, and it sets up a nice river shove.

your other option is to flat the flop and lead the turn
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 200BBs deep - I flop the nuts, how to extract?

SB folded, so your only chance to stack him is to reach over and physically grab all of his chips.

As for CO, the pot is already $65 and you have ~$77 behind. If he has an overpair/AQ, you could shove right here and probably get called. An overbet that big would most likely push out a flush draw, though, and you definitely want a flush draw to stick around. I'd probably bet about $40 here and get the rest in on the river.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 200BBs deep - I flop the nuts, how to extract?

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SB folded, so your only chance to stack him is to reach over and physically grab all of his chips.

As for CO, the pot is already $65 and you have ~$77 behind. If he has an overpair/AQ, you could shove right here and probably get called. An overbet that big would most likely push out a flush draw, though, and you definitely want a flush draw to stick around. I'd probably bet about $40 here and get the rest in on the river.

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Thanks for the response.

What do you think of the flop min raise? I was hoping to grow the pot, keep flush draws around, and maybe induce a shove from A3s. Obviously it made the SB fold but he must have had nothing because he was getting more than 5:1 on a call.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 200BBs deep - I flop the nuts, how to extract?

Normally I'm not a big fan of min-raises, but since you and CO are both deep you need to start building a pot without pushing him out - a min-raise looks like a good way to do it.

The alternative - smooth-calling the flop to induce a call from CO - would also allow you to get all the money in by the river, but then I'd be more worried about a turn card killing my action. Given CO's stats, I think he'd be as likely to call a min-raise as he would a smooth-call, which would make the min-raise better.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 200BBs deep - I flop the nuts, how to extract?

I don't like the min raise very much...I think it screams I have the nuts. Keep betting strong...it's the only way you're going to get his stack. Bet at least $35 on the turn probably more and if he calls, it's an easy push on the river. He's probably not smart enough to realize he's pot committed.
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