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Old 12-01-2007, 05:07 PM
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There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us.

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What we actually believe

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Who is "we"?

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The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world.

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Wouldn't just about everyone want to stop agressing on the Muslim world, as you say?

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Obviously not.

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But the reality is the reality.

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Yes, and those who support this crap are failing to see the reality that they're being tricked into it solely for the purpose of giving government more power.

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Do you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine? Do you fly?

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Irrelevant.

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Does the U.S. have strategic interest in conquering the entire world?

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Would it bother you if you lost the Moon!!!!!! by using a passive approach?

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Where is the risk accpetable?

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It's very, very simple. Stop aggressing on them as we have been doing for the last 50+ years and actually make an attempt to see if peace is possible. The most likely explanation for their behavior by far is that they're pissed off about what we're doing to their countries. Pull out, let them know we're serious about pulling out and then see how they respond. If at that point they attack us again, then there will be some justification for military action. Until that happens though, we're just conquering foreign nations and imposing our will on them.

If you're so keen on attacking people, why not attack Canada? What if they launch a terrorist attack on us next week that kills 10 million?!?!?! As our neighbors, they're a much bigger risk, so we better get them before they have a chance!!!

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<font color="blue">reading your answer above has provided me another 2 or 3 hrs of life recaptured, to watch paint dry or some other more enlightening activity, every week, rather than spending any more time in his useless forum.

<font color="blue">for that, i thank you for giving me the clarity to finally see the retardation that lives here... </font>

i leave with this gem as a memorial to my new found freedom:</font>


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Do you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine? Do you fly?

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Old 12-01-2007, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism

What a compelling and convincing response. It's always fun to meet people who aren't interested in actually thinking about their political views. Anyway...

You're welcome! See ya! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism

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Until the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional in 2006, the United States of America was 1 of only 5 countries in the world in which the courts would give the death penalty to a minor (under 18yrs of age).


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Yes because before you turn 18 you have no understanding of the consequences of your actions. It magically happens on your 18th birthday.

So the US isn't perfect, who cares. No country is perfect and every country has its own skeletons in its closet.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:26 PM
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Until the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional in 2006, the United States of America was 1 of only 5 countries in the world in which the courts would give the death penalty to a minor (under 18yrs of age).


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Yes because before you turn 18 you have no understanding of the consequences of your actions. It magically happens on your 18th birthday.

So the US isn't perfect, who cares. No country is perfect and every country has its own skeletons in its closet.

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That's the whole point. "They're not perfect" isn't a good reason to attack them or evidence that they want to kill us all.
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Old 12-02-2007, 01:49 AM
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If the Japanese had seen us as an imperalist power, seen us in Korea and Vietnam, and against the background of us having killed 100,000 people in Tokyo in one night, another 75,000 in Hiroshima and 35,000 in Nagasaki, and seen that millions of Americans had been in favor of exterminating the Japanese and expressed disappointment that they had surrendered before we had a chance to use many more atomic weapons against them, would this be as "perfect" a reason for them to go after us as the demonstrations in Sudan are for fighting Islamo-fascism?
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Old 12-02-2007, 01:53 AM
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I don't have to contort myself to find barbarity in killing 100,000 people in one night. How does that compare with the demonstration in Sudan? My point was that if OP thinks the demonstration in Sudan is a "perfect" reason to be fighting in Iraq (that's apparently where we need to be to go after the Islamo-Fascists), what should Japan have done when millions of Americans felt they should be exterminated after we firebombed of nuked all of their cities?
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:00 AM
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"At least 1,000 protesters shook their fists or waved banners or ceremonial swords and chanted religious and nationalist slogans after leaving Muslim Friday prayers. Banners called for 'punishment' for Gibbons, and some protesters burned newspapers that contained pictures of the teacher."

What, you don't find this a "perfect" reason for fighting Islamo-Fascism in Iraq?
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:09 AM
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Would it bother you if you lost an American city by using a passive approach? Or just another 3 thousand. Or 50 thousand. Where is the risk accpetable?

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Who has the capability to nuke a U.S. city AND willing to do it?
It sounds to me like you're buying into all this neo-con propaganda.
Terrorists cannot get a nuclear weapon inside a country whose borders and ports are secure.
The only one able to get dangerous items into the U.S. is China that we know of. How do you suggest we cure the problem of them importing dangerous goods? Do you suggest we attack them also? Of course not.

There is this Neo-Con philosophy that if we don't take the war to the terrorists, by invading countries where we think that they may be, then they'll bring the war to America.

How could they do that if we had spent the 750 billion dollars on securing our borders and ports instead of the war?
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:17 AM
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Before World War II, General Marshall said the United States was planning to incinerate Japan's tinderbox cities. And we did.

My point is that politicians are always planning to go to war and when we start thinking that a demonstration by a few hundred people in the Sudan makes the war in Iraq justified we buy into their bull.
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:24 AM
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Default Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism

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Before World War II, General Marshall said the United States was planning to incinerate Japan's tinderbox cities. And we did.

My point is that politicians are always planning to go to war and when we start thinking that a demonstration by a few hundred people in the Sudan makes the war in Iraq justified we buy into their bull.

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Well....almost always. I don't remember the incident, however, Carter chose to cut down a tree near an aggressive action by a bordering country overseas that cost the life of an American soldier, instead of bombing.

He was BOO'd by Americans.
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