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Old 11-30-2007, 12:13 PM
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Which military experts? The ones who constantly lied to us and were wrong every step of the way? The younger posters here are probably most familiar with Bill Clinton's duplicity, but he was an amateur compared to the pathological liars who ran the Johnson and Nixon administrations.

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Not even close. Clinton wouldnt know the truth if it was kneeling under his desk.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:21 PM
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i pretty much agree with you, my main point was that is was pretty ignorant to accuse people saying we should have stayed of idiocy when there is seems that there could easily be an argument for staying when 1+ million were slaughtered after you left.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:25 PM
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i pretty much agree with you, my main point was that is was pretty ignorant to accuse people saying we should have stayed of idiocy when there is seems that there could easily be an argument for staying when 1+ million were slaughtered after you left.

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Noooooo. Chompsky [sic] tells us that there was no slaughter after we left, and if there was it was our fault for being there in the first place.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:37 PM
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Is there documentation for 1,000,000+ slaughtered after we left?
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:41 PM
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Is there documentation for 1,000,000+ slaughtered after we left?

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Theres not much documentation on the Vietnam side, but the Khmer Rouge were pretty terrible, and there rise to power was correlated with us leaving.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:51 PM
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Is there documentation for 1,000,000+ slaughtered after we left?

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Theres not much documentation on the Vietnam side, but the Khmer Rouge were pretty terrible, and there rise to power was correlated with us bombing the crap out of their country in a secret war which destroyed any semblence of order.

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Old 11-30-2007, 12:57 PM
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illini43-

i pretty much agree with you, my main point was that is was pretty ignorant to accuse people saying we should have stayed of idiocy when there is seems that there could easily be an argument for staying when 1+ million were slaughtered after you left.

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Noooooo. Chompsky [sic] tells us that there was no slaughter after we left, and if there was it was our fault for being there in the first place.

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Wrong. Will provide quote if you persist, or are too lazy to look yourself.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:58 PM
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I believe the indigenous death toll is estimated at 5 to 6 million by the us army.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:04 PM
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Is there documentation for 1,000,000+ slaughtered after we left?

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Theres not much documentation on the Vietnam side, but the Khmer Rouge were pretty terrible, and there rise to power was correlated with us bombing the crap out of their country in a secret war which destroyed any semblence of order.

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FYP

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That definitely is part of the equation that led to the rise of the Khmer Rouge, but its not like Viet Cong weren't in Cambodia or anything. To say that the bombing was the only factor in the rise of the Khmer Rouge is either trollish or ignorant. The viet cong were in Cambodia before and after the bombings and cambodia wasn't exactly stable before that either.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:08 PM
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Our political goals in Vietnam were not met.

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You know this how?

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Fine. Our stated political goals in Vietnam were not met.

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The real goal was to prevent Vietnam from becoming socially and economically prosperous and independent as to not act as a model for other states. The terroist campaign of the US military was a huge success in this regard and in regards to its litteral military accomplishments.

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Terrorist campaign of the U.S. military ehh ???????

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