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Old 11-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

Villain just sat down, seems kind of stationy. Def capable of having floated flop with A-high but after he checked river my hand is most likely good. I'm slightly worried about valueowning myself against JT/QT/KT, will pocket pairs below the 9 call often enough to make a bet here?

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $403
SB: $439.10
BB: $369
UTG: $429.50
MP: $329.50
CO: $374

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, MP calls $4, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, MP calls $14

Flop: ($42) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $32</font>, MP calls $32

Turn: ($106) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($106) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero?
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

Just check it down. You don't want to valuetown yourself.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

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Just check it down. You don't want to valuetown yourself.

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Also, bet turn.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

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Just check it down. You don't want to valuetown yourself.

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Also, bet turn.

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Really? There is a bunch of draws out there, but the A hit his range pretty well for sure and also probably makes him less inclined to call with worse (made hands).
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

Worse made hands, yes. But he will still find calls with draws and whatnot.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

I just check behind on the river, btw you are not valuetowning yourself against KT,QT,JT, you are splitting.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

definitely bet the turn. It helps to balance out your bets with As and bluffs and there are tons of draws that can come along.

As for the river, you do realize that you cannot possibly valuetown yourself against JT-KT... right? TT99A****

I would bet near pot as all lower pairs are folding almost always and he'll have a tough time calling with a T.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

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As for the river, you do realize that you cannot possibly valuetown yourself against JT-KT... right? TT99A****

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Embarrassing. Bet it is then.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:01 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

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As for the river, you do realize that you cannot possibly valuetown yourself against JT-KT... right? TT99A****

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Embarrassing. Bet it is then.

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] it happens to the best of us.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: Party 400NL, valubet second pair meh kicker?

bet 200, this will scare anything but the 9 out [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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