who does tOSU play in the title game?

[Assani Fisher]

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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Because that's a ridiculously oversimplistic view of strength of schedule, accomplishment, and team strength? How about that OSU crushed most teams all year, while Hawaii had a very hard time with many very weak teams? And that OSU played a much harder (though overall still weak) schedule?

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If you don't think Hawaii has played enough tough teams, then put them in the title game against a tough team. That way, either way we'll know for sure. But if Hawaii doesn't get in, then we could have another Boise St situation where we truly don't know if they were the best team or not. Why would you rather not find out than find out if Hawaii is for real? I could understand your argument if there were many other deserving teams, but theres not so lets give the undefeated team a chance and see what happens. What happened to Boise St last year was a tragedy imo.

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great idea. lets encourage teams to make the easiest schedules possible because going undefeated against west endover community college and itt tech will guarantee a spot in the national championship. this will do wonders for college football

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Ugh.....so you're saying that you don't think Hawaii has played enough tough opponents. Ok, I agree with you there. But...

my solution is to give them the toughest possible opponent(which would be against the other top team in the NT game) and find out.

Your solution is to give them an easier opponent in a lesser bowl.


That makes no sense to me.

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Ok, if it was somehow possible to make them play like Oklahoma next week for the CHANCE to play in the National Championship, then what you are saying might make some sense. But you are saying that in order to find out if they deserve to go to the National Championship Game, we should put them in the National Championship Game. That is not a good idea, unless you want EVERY team to start scheduling like Hawaii does. Get ready for UCF vs. Central Michigan for the NC next year.

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I think you're kinda understanding me, but I'm not saying that exactly. I'm saying that in order to find out if they're deserving of the national championship(the trophy, not the game) then we have to put them in the game.

I don't think being in the game is anything special. IMO theres no difference from finishing #2(NT game loser) and finishing 10th....nobody really remembers either. All I care about is finding #1.

[Victor]

assani, if osu is so undeserving why do the computers rank them so high? there was no preseason bias from the computers.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

[Assani Fisher]

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assani, if osu is so undeserving why do the computers rank them so high? there was no preseason bias from the computers.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

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because the computers take margin of victory greatly into consideration, so that a team is rewarded for running up the score. If you eliminate this and just rank each game as "win" or "loss" and then look at Ohio St vs Hawaii I think it'll tell a different story.

[ClarkNasty]

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assani, if osu is so undeserving why do the computers rank them so high? there was no preseason bias from the computers.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

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because the computers take margin of victory greatly into consideration, so that a team is rewarded for running up the score. If you eliminate this and just rank each game as "win" or "loss" and then look at Ohio St vs Hawaii I think it'll tell a different story.

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Good teams can run up the score. Bad teams can't.

[Assani Fisher]

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assani, if osu is so undeserving why do the computers rank them so high? there was no preseason bias from the computers.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

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because the computers take margin of victory greatly into consideration, so that a team is rewarded for running up the score. If you eliminate this and just rank each game as "win" or "loss" and then look at Ohio St vs Hawaii I think it'll tell a different story.

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Good teams can run up the score. Bad teams can't.

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agreed. That doesn't mean good teams always try to run up the score.

Also "bad teams can't run up the score" does not logically imply "a team that can't run up the score is a bad team."(If A then not B does not mean that If not B then A)

[BigPoppa]

Honestly, I liked the old system better.
I have no problem with multiple teams all claiming to be national champs. It's much better than one game getting declared the NC game and the winner getting crowned even if they back into the game and barely squeek out a victory while a team likely just as good and with the same record wins their game by a blowout and can't even be considered for the Championship.

[Victor]

sagarin elo-chess doesnt take mov into acct. pls read the link. also, i dont think the bcs computers use mov either.

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sagarin elo-chess doesnt take mov into acct. pls read the link. also, i dont think the bcs computers use mov either.

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hi assani

[Assani Fisher]

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sagarin elo-chess doesnt take mov into acct. pls read the link. also, i dont think the bcs computers use mov either.

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hi assani

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what link?

[Victor]

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sagarin elo-chess doesnt take mov into acct. pls read the link. also, i dont think the bcs computers use mov either.

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hi assani

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

what link?

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