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Old 08-10-2006, 02:13 PM
maver1ck74 maver1ck74 is offline
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Default (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

I was flamed earlier with posting the entire hh, so i've shortend it to just key hands. Please provide both negative and positive inputs(Hopefully mostly negative). Heres a lil intro i had on myself earlier for those of you who haven't read my previous post


Hello fellow 2+2ers. I've been a lurker in the One Table Tournament forum leeching off valuable info from all the posts. Made a commitment to myself and to poker a couple days ago to start studying the game seriously. I mostly 4 table the 22's. I figured going through my own hand histories and allowing other players out there to rip apart my amateurish game would be the best place to start learning. So I raked up some nerves to post one of my most recent tournaments that i've played in. Please feel free to provide both negative and positive inputs in my plays. THank you for your time.

PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t60 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

mavvvvvvv (t1820)
UTG+1 (t3958)
MP1 (t2082)
MP2 (t1633)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t2080)
Button (t2177)
SB (t1460)
BB (t3300)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t150</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t120, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t360) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, mavvvvvvv checks

Turn: (t360) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv bets t120</font>, SB calls t120

River: (t600) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv bets t150</font>, SB calls t150

On this hand, I had notes that howun4chun8 likes to slow play top pair w/ good kickers. Wasn't too sure on where i was standing on the flop. The reason why i did not cbet was because if i was reraised i would have most certainly folded. (And with his KJ, i think he definetly would have check raised me) What i am seeking for more in this hand is what i should have done on the turn and the river to get the maximum amount of chips.



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3070)
mavvvvvvv (t2120)
MP1 (t3778)
MP2 (t2222)
MP3 (t2073)
CO (t1340)
Button (t1930)
SB (t2527)
BB (t940)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, mavvvvvvv calls t100, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t300</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t1930 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t2120 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>

Flop: (t4600) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t4600) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t4600) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

When starting the hand, my notes on the rest of the players behind me were pre-flop splashers. Hence i decided to slowplay the cowboys. When Button pushed all in after the 300 bet made by CO, I knew I was ahead. (Most 22 players wouldn't push all in with AA after a 3bb bet. So the only hands left for this guy would be KK-99. AKs-AQs and 88-55 if he is crazy/atm) Pushed over the top with him. I felt like given the way i played, I got everything i was asking for. KK vs QQ, made him push all in, cards just didn't go my way. My question is, how would have some of the other players played it. If i bet anywhere from minbet - 3or4XBB, regardless of what the initial bettor who bet 350, weststud4 would have pushed and results would have been the same? Oh and keep in mind the only reason i slow played was because i had notes on my opponents.



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3348)
UTG+1 (t4162)
MP1 (t4146)
CO (t2607)
Button (t2567)
SB (t1630)
mavvvvvvv (t1540)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t400</font>, Button calls t400, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t1540 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t1140

Flop: (t3780) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t3780) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t3780) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3048)
UTG+1 (t4062)
CO (t4246)
Button (t1507)
SB (t3657)
mavvvvvvv (t3480)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t200, SB calls t100, mavvvvvvv checks

Flop: (t600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv bets t430</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t400 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3156)
UTG+1 (t2304)
CO (t3346)
Button (t4214)
SB (t2530)
mavvvvvvv (t4450)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t200, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t2130</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t400 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t4214)
UTG+1 (t3730)
mavvvvvvv (t4650)
Button (t2556)
SB (t1504)
BB (t3346)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t1050</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t400 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2104)
UTG+1 (t3346)
CO (t3414)
Button (t3130)
mavvvvvvv (t5450)
BB (t2556)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t400, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t800</font>, <font color="gray">mavvvvvvv folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG calls t400

Flop: (t2200) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">UTG bets t1304 (All-in)</font>, Button calls t1304

Turn: (t4808) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t4808) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Reason why I didn't call here is cuz i knew pokerprofes liked to min raise with monster hands. Assuming I was wrong, even if he didn't have a monster hand AJ-AK would dominate me. Up against pocket pairs it would have been a coin flip of which i didn't want to go against due to my chip position at the time.



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (5 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t6034)
mavvvvvvv (t5850)
Button (t2256)
SB (t2446)
BB (t3414)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t600, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t1850</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG calls t1250

Flop: (t4600) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv bets t1500</font>, <font color="gray">UTG folds</font>

The hand above turned the whole tournament around for me. Gained momentum/chiplead and started pushing other players out. How would you guys have played it?



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2256)
Button (t2146)
SB (t6998)
mavvvvvvv (t8600)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t300, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t8600 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2146)
Button (t6398)
mavvvvvvv (t9200)
BB (t2256)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t1200</font>, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t9200 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t5198)
mavvvvvvv (t11000)
SB (t1656)
BB (t2146)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t2146</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t1246)
Button (t3542)
mavvvvvvv (t12200)
BB (t3012)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t1350</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>



PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.

mavvvvvvv (t12800)
Button (t3658)
BB (t3542)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">mavvvvvvv raises to t1500</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t3658 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">mavvvvvvv folds</font>
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Old 08-10-2006, 02:25 PM
HappyHotdog HappyHotdog is offline
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Default Re: (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

god i play so much better than you. Why the hell am i not 4 tabling the 22s. This [censored] makes me so angry(no offense)
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Old 08-10-2006, 02:37 PM
maver1ck74 maver1ck74 is offline
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Default Re: (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

None taken, but after rudely saying that you are better, why not add some input?
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Old 08-10-2006, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

It's a lot easier reading these one hand at a time. Just post each hand every 10 minutes, and all is well.

Just going to do the first two hands:
1. Need to bet more on turn and river, t200 and t400 seem fine.
2. Never fold KK preflop. I make it t300, push over the reraise.
3. I fold this, but I might be weak here.
Every hand up to the 33 one is fine, where you need to push or fold, and I prefer folding with people behind.
The last hand is a very clear push preflop. Remember the 10x BB rule, if you have less than 10x BB, only push or fold (for the most part).
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

[ QUOTE ]

mavvvvvvv (t1820)
UTG+1 (t3958)
MP1 (t2082)
MP2 (t1633)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t2080)
Button (t2177)
SB (t1460)
BB (t3300)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with T T
mavvvvvvv raises to t150, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls t120, BB folds

Flop: (t360) 3 6 K (2 players)
SB checks, mavvvvvvv checks

Turn: (t360) T (2 players)
SB checks, mavvvvvvv bets t120, SB calls t120

River: (t600) Q (2 players)
SB checks, mavvvvvvv bets t150, SB calls t150

On this hand, I had notes that howun4chun8 likes to slow play top pair w/ good kickers. Wasn't too sure on where i was standing on the flop. The reason why i did not cbet was because if i was reraised i would have most certainly folded. (And with his KJ, i think he definetly would have check raised me) What i am seeking for more in this hand is what i should have done on the turn and the river to get the maximum amount of chips.


[/ QUOTE ]

Your plan after the flop is odd. You need to value bet this flop. If he comes over the top, its ok to fold. If he flat calls, its ok to slow down. Giving him a chance to catch up for free with a vulnerable hand is bad. Giving him the chance to bluff you out of a pot on the turn with a big bet is bad.

As played, your bet sizes on the turn and river are too small.
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

hand 1: Raise more on turn and river
hand 2: I do the same thing
hand 3: I would fold with a raise and call ahead of you
hand 4: I like the bet
hand 5: Standard
hand 6: Fine, maybe raise to 1200
hand 7: Good fold
hand 8: I would fold 33 preflop there
hand 9: Good push, medium stack should fold on the bubble
hand 10: Same as 9
hand 11,12,13: I play the same way you did
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: (22 PP) Key hands seeking for improvement

appreciate the input guys.. thanks
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