QQ mid position with a paired flop

sfetaz · #1 11-19-2007, 10:36 AM

Stats on oppponent is VP$P 31, PFR 11, AF 0.48 over 290 hands

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero...

bennyhana · #2 11-19-2007, 10:39 AM

sucks, but I call down from here. He is somewhat passive, so I could see folding right now being correct. What are his c/r stats, showdown stats?

Mitke · #3 11-19-2007, 10:41 AM

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Getting 6.25:2 to calldown a quite passive villain I fold.

I don't think that passive a villain c/r's the turn with a worse hand than yours often enough.

KitCloudkicker · #4 11-19-2007, 10:49 AM

how has villain played hands like this in the past?

many players with an AF of 0.5 would only have J here and a calldown is bad.

others mix in enough bluffing to warrant calling.

if you dont know, calldown and make a note.

Fadook · #5 11-19-2007, 11:33 AM

Fold. Against someone who's passive, you're screwed here.

LukeSLTS · #6 11-19-2007, 11:55 AM

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how has villain played hands like this in the past?

many players with an AF of 0.5 would only have J here and a calldown is bad.

others mix in enough bluffing to warrant calling.

if you dont know, calldown and make a note.

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I agree with this though process. Here you are dealing with a preflop LAG that becomes passive postflop. It is a tough thing to do but laying this down against this type of player is going to save you money in the long run. There is almost no chance a passive player makes this raise without a J or better. If this type of oppenent had something like A8 they are likely just going to call down.