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#11
01-05-2007, 01:49 AM
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Re: Slowplaying AA DEEP .50/1
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When AA gets 3-bet... you 4 bet. Seeing as you didn't, and seeing as how you LITERALLY caught the worst flop possible.... fold. AK/QQ/JJ/TT are all the hands that beat you... KK is the one that doesn't. Sure, he can have KK here.... but are you going to soak up bets on every street to find out? [/ QUOTE ] He not only CAN have KK, but it's basically the most likely hand in his range, so yeah...soaking up those weakish bets is fine. Also folding flop for like less than 1/2 pot when you've got 6 outs against top set (and you're ahead a lot) is pretty bad. 
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#12
01-05-2007, 01:54 AM
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Re: Slowplaying AA DEEP .50/1
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[ QUOTE ] When AA gets 3-bet... you 4 bet. Seeing as you didn't, and seeing as how you LITERALLY caught the worst flop possible.... fold. AK/QQ/JJ/TT are all the hands that beat you... KK is the one that doesn't. Sure, he can have KK here.... but are you going to soak up bets on every street to find out? [/ QUOTE ] He not only CAN have KK, but it's basically the most likely hand in his range [/ QUOTE ] Why? Sure, you know that after seeing him bet 1/4 pot on the turn, the like 1/10000 pot on the river. I'm talking about the flop after the preflop action when the way that it did. Remember, the T is a scare card for AK. Hero can esily have QQ/JJ/TT here. If you are EVER folding AA after the preflop action... this is where you do it. And it's where you do it happily. You are horribly, horribly, mistaken in saying that KK is like the only hand he can have.
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#14
01-05-2007, 02:00 AM
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Re: Slowplaying AA DEEP .50/1
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You are horribly, horribly, mistaken in saying that KK is like the only hand he can have. [/ QUOTE ] He didn't say that at all.
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#15
01-05-2007, 02:02 AM
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Re: Slowplaying AA DEEP .50/1
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When AA gets 3-bet... you 4 bet. Seeing as you didn't, and seeing as how you LITERALLY caught the worst flop possible.... fold. AK/QQ/JJ/TT are all the hands that beat you... KK is the one that doesn't. Sure, he can have KK here.... but are you going to soak up bets on every street to find out? [/ QUOTE ] He not only CAN have KK, but it's basically the most likely hand in his range [/ QUOTE ] Why? Sure, you know that after seeing him bet 1/4 pot on the turn, the like 1/10000 pot on the river. I'm talking about the flop after the preflop action when the way that it did. Remember, the T is a scare card for AK. Hero can esily have QQ/JJ/TT here. If you are EVER folding AA after the preflop action... this is where you do it. And it's where you do it happily. You are horribly, horribly, mistaken in saying that KK is like the only hand he can have. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say it's the only hand he could have, just that it's def the most likely. QQ-TT/AK don't always 4bet, and KK generally does. Like if you'd figure a percent for each it would look something like KK 50%, QQ 20%, AK 20%, etc.
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#16
01-05-2007, 02:09 AM
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Re: Slowplaying AA DEEP .50/1
All of that is true, but you can make a lot more combinations with AK/QQ/JJ than you can with KK. Saying KK is the most likely hand in is range doesn't mean much here because it's the flop where you have to make the decision. By cold-calling you basically tell him exactly what you have and he can play perfectly against you. You can't value bet later streets and you are much more likely to be facing half-pot to pot bets the entire way, thinking to yourself "KK makes the most sense here. He 4 bet me preflop and with the QJT out there and two As in my hand, make his other hands less likely."
Remember the fact that we are cold calling his 4 bet. What does that tell villain about our hand? That we have atc? No. We have TT-AA, and AK thrown in. Villain will just be WAY often too scared to bet this flop for fear of what WE have to make our call of HIS bet profitable. The fact that he bets this flop must be taken into consderation when you are making statements of the likelihood of him having KK. That said... push preflop, dammit.
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#18
01-05-2007, 02:25 AM
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Re: Slowplaying AA DEEP .50/1
how can you NOT shove preflop
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