Review, Advanced Limit Holdem Strategy (Tanenbaum)

[Ray Zee]

i havent read that book or even seen it, but the exact pharse "illusion of action" was coined by dave when writing our book that hasnt made it to print. i find it very troubling that he uses it simlarly to our use and was privy to the part of the manuscript that few have seen.

[Adman]

Dave Fromm also spoke extensively about the "illusion of action" in his shorthanded "Expert Hold 'em" DVD series and that was some time back.

[RowdyZ]

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i havent read that book or even seen it, but the exact pharse "illusion of action" was coined by dave when writing our book that hasnt made it to print. i find it very troubling that he uses it simlarly to our use and was privy to the part of the manuscript that few have seen.

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hasn't made it to print yet

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RZ

[tipperdog]

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i havent read that book or even seen it, but the exact pharse "illusion of action" was coined by dave when writing our book that hasnt made it to print. i find it very troubling that he uses it simlarly to our use and was privy to the part of the manuscript that few have seen.

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Ray,

I can assure you--from personal experience--that Barry has been using the phrase "Illusion of Action" with his students for years.

[MicroBob]

Apparently Ray had the illusion of intellectual property theft.

[jeffnc]

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i havent read that book or even seen it, but the exact pharse "illusion of action" was coined by dave when writing our book that hasnt made it to print.

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In that case, expect a quick change of mind by Mason. His book review will now reverse to saying that Illusion of Action is correct, but it is a 2+2 Publishing idea.

Remember, there are only 2 types of ideas that are published in non-2+2 books.

1) Those that have not appeared in 2+2 books, and are therefore incorrect
2) Those that are correct, and therefore must be plagiarized from 2+2

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i havent read that book or even seen it, but the exact pharse "illusion of action" was coined by dave when writing our book that hasnt made it to print.

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In that case, expect a quick change of mind by Mason. His book review will now reverse to saying that Illusion of Action is correct, but it is a 2+2 Publishing idea.

Remember, there are only 2 types of ideas that are published in non-2+2 books.

1) Those that have not appeared in 2+2 books, and are therefore incorrect
2) Those that are correct, and therefore must be plagiarized from 2+2

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IMHO you just crossed the gray line. That goes too far.

[MicroBob]

not to mention that Mason isn't even publishing Ray's book apparently.

[jeffnc]

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not to mention that Mason isn't even publishing Ray's book apparently.

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I didn't say he was publishing the book. I used the term 2+2 Publishing to mean the company. No it doesn't make much sense for him to "take credit" for an unpublished document, but plenty of things Mason says don't make much sense.

And as I mentioned, the term Mason wrote years ago is unrelated to its usage in Tanenbaum's book. But Mason spends lots of time poring over all of 2+2's writings to find and prove that all these ideas originated there. It goes way past normal copyright infringement problems. WAY past.

[Mason Malmuth]

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But Mason spends lots of time poring over all of 2+2's writings to find and prove that all these ideas originated there.

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Actually someone else found it. I then did a quick search of the computer file that contains the manuscript and the term popped up so I posted it here. All of this took less than a minute.

Also, for everyone else, but not for you since my reviews (according to you) can't be trusted, I have now read about 80 pages of Tennebaum's book and so far it is pretty good. And one final thought, Barry Tannebaum handed me copies at his own initiative of the the two new books that he is associated with. I can't help but think that if he thought my reviews were biased in the manner that you characterize them this would not have happened.


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