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#1
11-28-2007, 09:41 AM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
is having KQ on such a flop better than having AK?
many micro limit players call preflop with Ax, and here our ace outs may be doomed if one of the villians have A9 or A3. doesn't this make it easier to fold AK at the flop? 
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#2
11-28-2007, 05:43 PM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
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is having KQ on such a flop better than having AK? many micro limit players call preflop with Ax, and here our ace outs may be doomed if one of the villians have A9 or A3. doesn't this make it easier to fold AK at the flop? [/ QUOTE ] I've read that. If you're playing the overcards as a very weak draw then hitting an Ace may be no help at all while a King may be a clean out (subject to the usual caveats about flush draws, etc.) I just realized that part of my problem is that instead of treating overcards as very weak draws I'm treating them as semi-bluffs or even a weak made hand. Semi-bluffing at micro limits actually works sometimes (to my surprise) so I seem to be net plus acting this way...so far. I'm trying to cut back on this now. Maybe there's an overcard patch like a nicotine patch.
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#5
11-27-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
Groungae
You can call here at best. Your raise isn't giving you any fold equity in this spot and is never pushing out a flush draw here. If I had raised that flop I would follow through on the turn and bet/fold when it is checked to me. Since you're most likely behind here though taking the free card isn't that bad of an option. I fold the river. Ace high is rarely good here.
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#6
11-27-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
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At this point I was raising to try and push out any flush draws. [/ QUOTE ] Let's stop here. This will happen like 0% of the time. Plus, you won't likely even be headsup - They are not likely both to be on flush draws - and absent an overcard on that board, no one is folding. ON the turn, don't bet (which you didn't) it will accomplish nothing but losing one BB. On River - BB led the flop, called your raise, and bet into two players on the river. You only need to be right like 8ish% of the time to call - but I'd say your good here like 1 time out of 100 and that's probably very generous Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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#7
11-28-2007, 09:58 AM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
He probably has loose requirements and probably hit something on this flop and thinks you have nothing .. probably thought you were betting Overcards so bet into you.
If you raise to see later streets cheap I think you have to fold the river when you don't improve. I probably would have just called and see if I could pull a strong draw. On the flop I wouldn't be concerned about the flush draws too much.. because if they hit a weak flush draw you have a chance to draw to a better hand.
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#8
11-28-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
flop: no flush draw is folding to your flop raise.
turn: standard against a loose villian. however if your read on villian is tight then go ahead and bet the turn river: fold against an unknown
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#9
11-28-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: Playing overcards on the flop
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turn: standard against a loose villian. however if your read on villian is tight then go ahead and bet the turn [/ QUOTE ] This still isn't a place to bet. HU, maybe - but with two players, betting the turn is a loosing proposition. [ QUOTE ] river: fold against an unknown [/ QUOTE ] I can't find a call here like ever- even if I knew the BB to be the loosest of players. I'd have to know he'd also bet right into two players, in a raised pot, with multiple streets of aggression. Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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