Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Full Ring
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-29-2007, 05:41 PM
bigslicknuts bigslicknuts is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 174
Default NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $118.55
BB: $34.20
UTG: $51.25
UTG+1: $88.05
Hero (MP1): $48.75
MP2: $51.70
MP3: $88.10
CO: $50.00
BTN: $42.80

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15.00</font>, MP3 folds, BTN calls $15.00, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $32.20</font>

I assume the raise on the flop is the right line, when I get coldcalled behind, and then shoved back into can I safely fold or do I call hoping they are both on draws and maybe an AJ? Whats your lines, I didn't have stats on either opponents.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-29-2007, 05:58 PM
leatangclan leatangclan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 117
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

Since BB is the shortstack, without reads I would have to assume he is calling with a hand. His range can be JJ, TT, JT suited. Yeah, AJ suited is possible, but unless he is real loose, he probably is not going to get it all in with jacks after he's been raised with 3 bets. I thoguth what you did was fine. I personally would fold here without any reads on the shortstack.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-29-2007, 06:25 PM
Renton Renton is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 1,717
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

when facing that bet you need to have a plan. It needs to either be smooth calling to reevaluate the turn, or it needs to be committing to the pot with a raise (i.e. and then calling a push).

The pot odds you are getting here are just irresistable. You should have made a bigger raise (to like 18) so it wouldn't even be a tough decision at all as to whether to go with the hand.

Cliff notes: raise more on the flop, call a push. Otherwise smooth call flop.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-29-2007, 06:41 PM
ToomuchCoffee ToomuchCoffee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 81
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

I would fold here. BTN is who scares me, what hand could coldcall your raise here? You are not good against 2 opponents here very often, or letīs say close to never.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-29-2007, 06:50 PM
jessyj07 jessyj07 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Melting in Tucson, AZ
Posts: 1,266
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

[ QUOTE ]
when facing that bet you need to have a plan. It needs to either be smooth calling to reevaluate the turn, or it needs to be committing to the pot with a raise (i.e. and then calling a push).

The pot odds you are getting here are just irresistable. You should have made a bigger raise (to like 18) so it wouldn't even be a tough decision at all as to whether to go with the hand.

[/ QUOTE ]Don't you rethink your plan when somebody cold calls behind you? Of course this is an easy call if it's HU.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-29-2007, 06:56 PM
Renton Renton is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 1,717
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

no you don't, because you'll still be getting the same pot odds.

If you are folding overpairs on drawy board getting these kind of prices, you are losing money. Hero is almost priced in to call if he KNOWS villain has JT.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-29-2007, 06:56 PM
Berge20 Berge20 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Grinding Away
Posts: 4,989
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

I personally think that cold-call is far more often a flush draw than a monster.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-29-2007, 07:24 PM
Grumbo Grumbo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Down(swing)town
Posts: 419
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

[ QUOTE ]
I personally think that cold-call is far more often a flush draw than a monster.

[/ QUOTE ]
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-29-2007, 07:25 PM
ToomuchCoffee ToomuchCoffee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 81
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

You think BTN calls a 15$ reraise on a pot of 8$ with the first raiser still to act, with a flushdraw?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-29-2007, 08:46 PM
Berge20 Berge20 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Grinding Away
Posts: 4,989
Default Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind

I'm not saying it's a good play, but in my experience that is the case.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.