Where did I go wrong?

Apanage · #1 10-02-2007, 05:13 PM

Crushing 0.5/1 over my firstK 30K made me think this game was so easy.Now at 1/2 I realize there is more to this game than meets the eye.
This is probably a real simple one for the better NL players.
I post this hand despite the fact it is totally humiliating.
This is a total fish play postflop with a player all-in.But exactly where did I go wrong?

UTG is 48/26/2.3 but not that stupid
Villain is 21/3/1.4 datamined hans

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.33
CO: $51.54
Button: $176.70
SB: $261.20
Hero: $198.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises all-in $23.33, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($70.99, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $70.99)
Hero checks, Button bets $26, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($122.99, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $70.99, Sidepot 1: $52)
Hero checks, Button bets $50, Hero calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($222.99, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $70.99, Sidepot 1: $152)
Hero checks, Button is all-in $77.37, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $377.73
Button shows Ah Ad

kaby · #2 10-02-2007, 09:50 PM

I can't see a weaktight betting flop + turn here (at least not enough to make calling turn and river or shoving turn +ev) with a flushdraw or Ax so I'm folding the turn.

marchron · #3 10-03-2007, 10:21 AM

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I can't see a weaktight betting flop + turn here (at least not enough to make calling turn and river or shoving turn +ev) with a flushdraw or Ax so I'm folding the turn.

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At the same time, what could he be betting here? 88 is the only thing I'm afraid of. AK should have overpushed preflop. If he has 44, A8 or A4 he's a schmuck for calling a 11x preflop raise.

I lead the flop. How it progresses from there depends on how Villain reacts.

mayday4379 · #4 10-03-2007, 03:50 PM

This was an excellent play by the villain based on stack sizes. He bet enough on the turn to make a weak ace call, then enough on the river so that's it all in for only 1/4 of the pot. based on stack szies, you need to fold the turn (and preflop too)

Apanage · #5 10-04-2007, 02:44 PM

My first thougths after this hand was:

1)I should have bet halfpot on flop.
2)As played I should have folded turn
3)I should have folded preflop

It is easy to understand why I should have done nr.2).
But please give me YOUR reasons to nr.1) and nr 3).

Man of Means · #6 10-04-2007, 03:56 PM

Oh, I probably fold preflop.
I don't like playing against set miners.

1. Obv You're out of position.

2. tight/passive Button coldcalled an 11xBB (1/7 of his stack) raise - his range is like 77+, AQ+, AJs+ and occasionally something else. You may ask yourself why he's not isolating, but some players don't have that idea.

3. If you flop TPTK, you're probably not getting paid off much since the pot is protected and villain will know you're less likely to be bluffing

4. Likewise, if you flop TPTK you'll be the one paying off when villain has a better hand. 3 & 4 -> reverse implied odds.

As played I'd probably bet the flop (~1/2 pot) and go from there.

4_2_it · #7 10-05-2007, 04:19 PM

Button's call pre-flop is very scary. He doesn't mind a multi-way pot. Either re-raise (fold to a shove) or fold pre-flop.

Hard (near impossible) to get away post flop once the A hits; however you should lead the flop and fold to a raise. If he smooth calls you down there isn't anything you can do.