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Old 08-04-2007, 06:53 AM
Carmine Carmine is offline
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Default Re: Quite common situation in a small pot

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Both players Tag:s close to nits.
Is betting out better since we are preventing an eventual button steel. If we bet out and get called how do we play turn against one remaining player.
As played are anyone calling or checkraising flop?

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero folds, BB folds.

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This is hard to answer as some things in this post don't really jive.

How do we label CO a tag and then have him open limping in that position. We already know SB(Hero) and BB are tags. Seems like we could steal from the CO with 32o and still turn a profit. So back to the original question. What the hell would a tag CO limp. AA is like one of the few hands I could think of because he is just tired of picking up the blinds all night long. Perhaps the term "nit" and my misinterpretation of the term is what is confusing me here.

Now change CO player description to average donk/bad player etc. and we have a different situation. In this case we C/F that flop as that nailed a open limpers range.

In reference to just picking up small pots in general with UI hands. I use both a lead and C/R to accomplish that task. It's just so player and board dependent. With this board containing both straight and flush draw possibilities I don't bother. I'm just not going to know were I am in the hand to avoid making errors.

Oh, I just noticed we have a piece of the flop. In this case getting 3:1 on my bet I take a shot and lead out. I still want a range/better description assigned to CO which may change my decision.
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Old 08-04-2007, 11:55 AM
Apanage Apanage is offline
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Default Re: Quite common situation in a small pot

You´re right about the open limping being fishy. He was however 23/14/1.8 over ~700 hands.
Labels are not easy to put on players but I do think he is not being cute with AA and I do think we can label him as a TAG.
But feel free to call him a tight passive and take the hand from there.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:12 PM
MartynasD MartynasD is offline
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Default Re: Quite common situation in a small pot

it`s probably ok to fold here,as to cards like QJ,making flop hard to take over.It`s beter bet here for value,but not semibluff
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Old 08-04-2007, 01:25 PM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default Re: Quite common situation in a small pot

A5o and A6o are virtually identical in value.
A5o has the straight potential while A6o has better pair outs (yes, one card higher does matter a little bit).

If I'm raising one, I'm raising the other too.

Here's the equity of each hand vs. a range of top 40% hands (not very realistic but it gives you a rough idea)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.499% 47.54% 03.96% 385817485 32165060.00 { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 48.501% 44.54% 03.96% 361484491 32165060.00 { Ac5d }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.432% 47.75% 03.69% 387516685 29919492.00 { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 48.568% 44.88% 03.69% 364276427 29919492.00 { Ac6d }

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Old 08-04-2007, 04:53 PM
werero werero is offline
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Default Re: Quite common situation in a small pot

If we do lead or c/r this flop, gets a caller and the turn is a blank. How do we take it from there?
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