"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[New2NL]

What??? You made 50$ an hour and find reason to complain????

Wow, I have a university degree and a good job and I do not make 50$ an hour for a job that is a lot harder and requires more knowledge than a poker dealer.

[olivert]

I, as a witness in the payout office, can confirm the story dealer Laurie (a.k.a. "pkrporcupine") posted.

I, having been hired as Jerry's agent for the WSOP Main Event on Monday afternoon, was the one who authorized Chris Ferguson to be present in the payout office on Wednesday morning.

Chris was acting in good faith as a former world champion who wanted to look after a fellow world champion. He was NOT acting as a representative for FullTiltPoker.net.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group
otmgmt@otmgmt.com

[samsdmf]

Crossed out text on articles is just lazy and bad, why do people do it

[Slow Play Ray]

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Chris was acting in good faith as a former world champion who wanted to look after a fellow world champion. He was NOT acting as a representative for FullTiltPoker.net.

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Oh man good thing you pointed this out! *rolls eyes*

[Slow Play Ray]

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Crossed out text on articles is just lazy and bad, why do people do it

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to show what has been edited since the original post.

[cocked&locked]

I don't begrudge anyone a living, but this is laughable

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We depend on the WSOP to make up for the rest of the year to keep us all fed till January. This 45 days of hard work is atleast 2/3 of most of our incomes.

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Uhh, too bad most of us have to work hard ... um about 2/3 of the year to make 2/3 of our yearly income. How about another career path or a supplemental job. What make's you so special?

[Homer]

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Hello all. Im stopping by here first to clear a few things up then i will be posting on pokerati. I am the dealer that put out the last hand. I was in the payout room with Jerry as a representative for the dealers. I do not know if chris was invited or not but that is beside the point. First I want to say that Jerry is a wonderfull, big hearted man that played a great tourney for somebody that has only been playing for 2 years. HE DID NOT STIFF US! He was misled and didnt know any better. A stiff is someone who knows all the facts and refuses to toke and wont even say thank you. Next, we do not get paid by the hour this year, we get paid by downs (each table we deal), we do get an hourly $6.41 from harrahs. As for the main this year, 1.8% was withheld for the staff, which i might add is the smallest we have been given in years. It is split 30% to the Floor staff and its supposed to be 70% for the dealers but i have heard that a chunk of that is going to the chip runners and cashiers....dont quote me on that cuz i dont know for a fact. Now We started the main this year with over 700 dealers and that was too many in my opinion because they were getting very little downs per day and having forced days off. We are NOT garunteed $25 a down, Dan misunderstood me when I was explaining to him what we have been averageing this year. Now I am not good at math without chips and cards infront of me but everything that goes into the toke pool must be shared between all dealers for that 11 days and going by CF's number that he stated in the payout room to Jerry means that we should only recieve $214 for 11 days of work? Hmmm that doesnt sound to good to me.
As for what happened last night, Jerry trusted CF to give him very sound advice because he has never won anything like this before. The issue I have is when the payout clerk asked Jerry if he would like to leave anything ADDITIONAL (yes that is how it was stated) for the dealers, Jerry looked to chris and asked What he should do. CF Told him that the dealers already get 2%, he was then corrected by someone in the room with us that its 1.8%, so CF goes on to say that "It works out to be around 170K that you have already tipped them so no, I would not leave anything more." It Was very wrong of CF to state it in that manner because he was flat out misleading. I stood there smiling, waited for Jerry to finish signing his paperwork then hugged and congratulated him once more, very sincerly. Of course i was pissed, not that Jerry declined to tip but that CF was giving him great advice on everything else but was completely wrong when it came to the dealers. I couldn't say anything because that would be considered soliciting. I just wish that he would have been properly informed and if then he declined, I am perfectly fine with that. Yes we make good money for what we do and unfortunately there are some greedy ones in the bunch. Alot of you out there calling me greedy need to understand that because i choose to work the circuit for harrahs and travel with them, I have to pay all my own expenses, my own health care and we only work about 2 weeks every month. We depend on the WSOP to make up for the rest of the year to keep us all fed till January. This 45 days of hard work is atleast 2/3 of most of our incomes. Now I believe that harrahs with the huge vig every event should be the ones responsible for giving us a bigger chunk and I think that tipping is a very personal thing that should be left to every individual to decide on and not bitter players who wish to bash us "greedy sons of...". I for one dont expect anything that i have not earned but I always appreciate a thank you for a job well done and that doesnt have to be in the form of cash and last night it was in the form of a huge hug. I love my job even with the ups and downs and honestly, This years WSOP was a great time for me. So hopefully this rambling clears up a few things and starts alot more discussions on how things can be done even better next year for all involved.

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Are you saying you received a total of $214 for 11 days of work? If not, please post how many hours you worked during the WSOP and how much you made. Without specific numbers, I don't see anyone's mentality on tipping changing.

[csuf_gambl0o0r]

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I don't see how CF misled him.

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Seriously, I don't see wtf is going on. How exactly did jesus mislead him?

He said that 1.8% was already taken out, which is true. Are you guys daft?

[pkrporcupine]

Yet again we are not recieving 1.8%, over 700 dealers are sharing 65% of that 1.8%(I have been told now that the chip runners are getting 5% of our share) And atleast i can admit im no good with numbers :O)

[rsigley]

it's going to be the same thing as every year before and probably every year after this

dealers complain they're under paid, but won't tell how much they're making

argument goes nowhere

i cashed in one event for about 58k

they asked if i wanted to tip, i said how much of the prize pool is going to the dealers for this event

sorry we can't tell you that

so i didn't end up tipping