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Old 11-09-2007, 08:00 AM
KCrow KCrow is offline
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Default QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

I've just sat down on the table so the two villains are unknowns. What is the best line to take in this situation, is it better to lead out on the flop, but doesn't this effectively turn my hand into a bluff. As played is this ok?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $84.70
Hero (SB): $55
BB: $51.55
UTG: $50.30
MP: $55.95
CO: $78.60

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, MP calls $1.75, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.50</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $5.75, MP calls $5.75

Flop: ($23) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks

Turn: ($23) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>,
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:27 AM
boogie6 boogie6 is offline
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

I think it's to big. Your bet looks like you have QQ not an Ace. 10 - it's good. It's a Betsizing question. I'm right?
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

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I think it's to big. Your bet looks like you have QQ not an Ace. 10 - it's good. It's a Betsizing question. I'm right?

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lol I was expecting someone to say it's too small, is it really too big? It's just over half the pot, I'd bet this amount with an ace as well.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:12 AM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

I probably check turn as well seeing as this is 3 handed and its just way too likely someone hit that ace. Oh and if youre going to bet, your amount is good, its the same thing I do, slightly more than 1/2 pot.
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Old 11-09-2007, 11:34 AM
boogie6 boogie6 is offline
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

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lol I was expecting someone to say it's too small, is it really too big? It's just over half the pot, I'd bet this amount with an ace as well.

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With an Ace u must bet flop.. and now it looks like unreleased c/r, so i think its too large bet for Ace.. May be it's not "too big", i'm sorry. I just said that 10 - it's enought for this situation.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

Pretty crappy spot, 2 callers of your 3-bet then an A flops, Aces make a huge part of their range, I would just bet out the flop for 15 or so then give up if called.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

IMO if your going to be doing any betting in this hand, bet the flop. Only hand I would bet the turn with like this is a set or maybe AK (only time I would check flop with AK is when planning to c/r any bet) but far less AK
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

I'm not betting flop or turn in situations like these... it's way too likely someone has the ace and you're effectively turning your hand into a bluff, since you aren't folding any hands that beat you and no hands you beat are calling.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:13 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Re: QQ - OOP 3way 3bet

Exactly what milky said, betting the flop here is worse than betting the turn, but I dont like betting either one. Why do we want to bet the flop and effectively turn a hand with showdown value into a bluff?
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