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Old 10-11-2007, 06:14 PM
achtzhen achtzhen is offline
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Default NL25 AA vs. river shove

Sorry there isn't a converter but I have been back and forth with myself about this hand.
I checked the flop hoping someone would catch up or bet the turn.

villain is 25/4.7/.73 over 275 hands
Yes, he is usually quite passive.

Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25)

6-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: ($25.55)

Seat 2: ($23.45) <u>Villain</u>

Seat 3: ($51.85) <u>Hero</u>

Seat 4: ($34.10)
Seat 5: ($26.90)
Seat 6: ($24.75)
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NEW HAND

Seat 5: posts the small blind $0.10

Seat 6: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS

Hero is dealt [As,Ah]

Seat 1: calls $0.25

Villain: calls $0.25

Hero: raises $1.10 to $1.35

Seat 4: folds

Seat 5: folds

Seat 6: calls $1.10

Seat 1: folds

Villain: calls $1.10

--- DEALING FLOP [3d,8s,2c]

Seat 6: checks
Villain: checks
Hero: checks

POT 4.40

--- DEALING TURN [9s]

Seat 6: checks

Villain: bets $0.25

Hero: raises $2.75 to $3.00

Seat 6: folds

Villain: raises $3.00 to $6.00

Hero: calls $3.00

POT 16.40

--- DEALING RIVER [Jh]

Villain: goes all in $16.10

Hero: ?
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:20 PM
Milky Milky is offline
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

You really need to bet the flop, especially against two opponents. As it is you have no idea where you stand as a)your hand is seriously underrepped, and b) villain could have a wide range of hands that you didn't narrow by betting flop.

As played I'd definitely fold river to this guy.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

I think you have to bet the flop.

He min-bet min-reraised the turn, then open shoves the river, what does he do this with? Did he slowplay a set on the flop? It's hard to see how the turn helped him unless he has 89. I'm curious what range should we put him on. If he wasn't so passive I would be inclined to call because his line looks so fishy and my hand is under-repped, but given his passivity sets seem like a lot of his range here.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

bet the flop,
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:39 PM
iheartponeez iheartponeez is offline
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

Bet the flop, and generally raise to 2 pre-flop.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

use a converter
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

Call he has JT of spades.
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

The min-bet/min-raise line is usually very strong. You should probably just fold the Turn but I never would. Instafold the River. .73s don't push the River as bluffs unless you have reason to believe he's on tilt or you've seen him do it before.

Edit: Oh, and bet the flop obv. WTF?
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:12 AM
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Default Re: NL25 AA vs. river shove

Bet the flop. If you're putting a tight player on a range that he will cold call with, a lot of his holdings are pocket pairs. You don't want these hands to "catch up".

If villan's AF is only .7 and he suddenly wakes up on the river and shoves, I don't think he's bluffing. I don't like calling in this situation because I think you're going to see a set quite often. This sucks but fold.
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