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#1
10-24-2007, 05:23 PM
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Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
Live 3/6 75/25 LP/TAG 1 slight LAG
MP=LP HJ=TAG (Maybe...I didn't have much of a read.) CO=TAG (Senior, rockish, had already been playing 13 hrs straight that day) HERO on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] PF folded to MP MP calls HJ calls CO calls Hero raises Blinds fold limpers call Flop 9sb [9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] MP bets HJ calls CO calls Hero ? Here is my thinking... 12 sb to Hero Outs: 3 A, 3 K, 1.5 BDFD = 7.5 These might need to discounted for hands like AA, KK, sets and 2 pair. Outs: 1.5 A, 1.5 K, 1.5 BDFD = 4.5 
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#3
10-24-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
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... calls and re-evaluates. You can't fold this getting 12:1 closing the action. And surely you can't be considering raising. [/ QUOTE ]
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#4
10-24-2007, 06:21 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
Ok good. This seemed obv to me too. Some table talk made me think twice about it.
Continuing on... Hero calls Turn 6.5bb [9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] MP Bets HJ Calls CO Folds Hero Calls River 9.5bb [9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] MP Checks HJ Bets Hero ?
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#5
10-24-2007, 06:25 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
I prefer a call on the river. MP may overcall closing the action. A raise will result in a re-raise by the Ac and a likely fold by just about everything else.
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#6
10-24-2007, 06:25 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
Raise the flop (intending to check turn unless you make a pair). Passive MP is rarely going to three bet you and if he does you know your A/K outs are no good and can just fold (unless you have odds to draw to your backdoor stuff).
Call the turn.
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#7
10-24-2007, 06:28 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
...calls again because we're big fat calling stations. Give MP a chance to call with just a jack or a weaker club. Don't re-open the betting against the HJ, who could have your 9th nut hand beat.
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#9
10-24-2007, 06:54 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
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Raise the flop (intending to check turn unless you make a pair). Passive MP is rarely going to three bet you and if he does you know your A/K outs are no good and can just fold (unless you have odds to draw to your backdoor stuff). Call the turn. [/ QUOTE ] And call the river.
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#10
10-24-2007, 07:02 PM
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Re: Overs w/a side of back door flush draw
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Raise the flop (intending to check turn unless you make a pair). Passive MP is rarely going to three bet you and if he does you know your A/K outs are no good and can just fold (unless you have odds to draw to your backdoor stuff). Call the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Here when you raise on the flop, the only benefit is the free card. With a strong draw, the benefits would be the free card + padding the pot with equity. I don't thing the free card alone is enough to go for a free card here, because a lot of the time, we won't get free card anyway.
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