Iris Caught Marking the Cards at Commerce

[Brad1970]

Can I ask a silly question?

I've never been to the Commerce, so I have no idea (other than what you all say) what the players/action are like. My question is why does management/dealers put up with the arseholes like this lady Iris who mark the cards, cuss the dealer, throw sh*t, etc. Can these people not act their age? Are they drunk or doing drugs or something?

I can say for certain that this behavior would not be tolerated in other card rooms in other parts of the country. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[pfapfap]

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I'm still amazed that dealers haven't been able to improve their work conditions, especially since it would likely mean more business for them.

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Hahaha, like management really gives two shakes for the dealers or their concerns.

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Seems to me that I'm seeing more and more dealers react to abuse or impoliteness with surliness or impoliteness of their own.

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If LA is anything like Bay Area, I can't blame them. Dealers have no power and abusive customers know it. I feel quite strongly that if dealers were permitted to deal problem children out of hands and get the backing of the floor, a lot of this would settle down. I've tried arguing my case, but it falls on deaf ears.

Management wants them around. It's the path of least resistance, and the idiots feed the games. We're run by regulars, not tourists. I'm sure it'd take a while for word to get out that a place has cleaned up, so forseeable-term is +EV for the casino to let them stay.

[Phat Mack]

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If the Commerce seriously barred Iris (and perhaps a dozen more of her ilk) and kept at it when new cretins emerge does anyone agree that in the long run far more new customers (the types who realize a card room isn't church but expect at least a small degree of civility) would emerge to replace her?

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I disagree. I think it is action, rather than harmony, that will attract the most players. I believe that obnoxious behaviour stimulates action, and that when you have two such cretins at a table, in conflict, competing for attention, then you have the best action of all.

jmo

P.S. Do any of you LA players remember "America's Guest?"

[Howard Beale]

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Can I ask a silly question?

I've never been to the Commerce, so I have no idea (other than what you all say) what the players/action are like. My question is why does management/dealers put up with the arseholes like this lady Iris who mark the cards, cuss the dealer, throw sh*t, etc. Can these people not act their age? Are they drunk or doing drugs or something?

I can say for certain that this behavior would not be tolerated in other card rooms in other parts of the country. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I play at CAZ. Dealer abuse is not tolerated. A quick example: The other day a player says something pretty bad to a dealer. The dealer doesn't bother calling a floor person over and says to the player: 'Do you want to apologize right now or do you want to go home?' Player apologizes. End of problem.

My guess is that the LA cardrooms are afraid of losing customers to the many other area cardrooms. I am used to abusive people from the business I was in for many years (low-income housing in the Bronx) plus playing poker for over 10 years so it doesn't bother me as much as it does 'regular' people. When I visit SoCal poker rooms it's sort of like going to the zoo for me. I get to see all the interesting animals in their natural habitat.

[tyler_cracker]

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I once had someone slice a card in two with a rubberband at 30/60.

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um... please explain? that must have been some rubber band!

[Wally S]

I just spent five days at the Commerce. I have played there many times over the last 20 years but not for the last year. I cannot imagine playing there on a regular basis. The lack of basic civility permeates every game I played in (40-80, 60-120 & 100-200) and everyone has developed an attitude either as a personna or a defense mechanism. Every sterotype is present, bad behavior is trumpted by worse behavior. Even though the games are good, after five days I couldnt wait to leave.

Those of you who play at the commerce daily must be immune to how the game appears to a part time social player. Compared to the social atmosphere of the 60-120 at the CAZ the Commerce is a verbal war zone.

wally

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Bad WIKI.... they just include a quote at the end, which causes your misconception...

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Thanks for the clarification. That last paragraph didn't look right and in my original post I asked whether it was correct. Then I edited out the question.

Anyway my friend was referring to Jack having the judgement of King Solomon in the positive sense. IMO his great judgement mostly centers around maximizing his tips.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I just spent five days at the Commerce. I have played there many times over the last 20 years but not for the last year. I cannot imagine playing there on a regular basis. The lack of basic civility permeates every game I played in (40-80, 60-120 & 100-200) and everyone has developed an attitude either as a personna or a defense mechanism. Every sterotype is present, bad behavior is trumpted by worse behavior. Even though the games are good, after five days I couldnt wait to leave.

Those of you who play at the commerce daily must be immune to how the game appears to a part time social player. Compared to the social atmosphere of the 60-120 at the CAZ the Commerce is a verbal war zone. - wally

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Wally,

There may be thousands of recreational poker players within a thirty minute drive of the Commerce with the money and desire to play these limits who feel exactly as you do. The lost business at the Commerce and other clubs is largely masked by the fact they are in a closed market so they more or less fill up on nights and weekends anyway.

If there was free and open competition I believe the LA card club that demanded reasonably civilized behavior would emerge as number one with the best action.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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If the Commerce seriously barred Iris (and perhaps a dozen more of her ilk) and kept at it when new cretins emerge does anyone agree that in the long run far more new customers (the types who realize a card room isn't church but expect at least a small degree of civility) would emerge to replace her?

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I disagree. I think it is action, rather than harmony, that will attract the most players. I believe that obnoxious behaviour stimulates action, and that when you have two such cretins at a table, in conflict, competing for attention, then you have the best action of all.

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I agree action attracts players and that to an extent obnoxious behavior (often provided by an action player) can seemingly stimulate action. By "seemingly" I believe that the LA players experience is to often associate annoying behavior with an action game. But you can have plenty of action and a modicum of civility if card club management demands and enforces the modicum of civility.

~ Rick

[rgold79]

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I just spent five days at the Commerce. I have played there many times over the last 20 years but not for the last year. I cannot imagine playing there on a regular basis. The lack of basic civility permeates every game I played in (40-80, 60-120 & 100-200) and everyone has developed an attitude either as a personna or a defense mechanism. Every sterotype is present, bad behavior is trumpted by worse behavior. Even though the games are good, after five days I couldnt wait to leave.

Those of you who play at the commerce daily must be immune to how the game appears to a part time social player. Compared to the social atmosphere of the 60-120 at the CAZ the Commerce is a verbal war zone. - wally

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Wally,

There may be thousands of recreational poker players within a thirty minute drive of the Commerce with the money and desire to play these limits who feel exactly as you do. The lost business at the Commerce and other clubs is largely masked by the fact they are in a closed market so they more or less fill up on nights and weekends anyway.

If there was free and open competition I believe the LA card club that demanded reasonably civilized behavior would emerge as number one with the best action.

~ Rick

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What constraints are there on the market? I take it what you're saying is not just anyone could plop down a room with 300 tables in it next week if they wanted to.