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parkinson · #21 01-29-2007, 01:05 PM

i think we also have to account for the fact that there are hardly any 'weak' hands here for villain to have on this river. if villain has a decent hand (wich we beat), i doubt he's raising as it might be the best hand (unlikely but possible). if has has any kind of hand, he wants to showdown. if he has air he might bluff but i dont see much air at this stage of the hand.

GiantBuddha · #22 01-29-2007, 04:34 PM

I was bluffing.

GiantBuddha · #23 01-29-2007, 04:37 PM

Serisously, though, someone made an almost identical play against me on UB. I'm going to see if I can find the hand. He bet/folded a set of 7s on the river, but showed the fold. If I made this fold I would never show it. I never bluff raise at low stakes, and only rarely at higher stakes, and this is like telling someone it can be a profitable play against you.

As it is, I don't like the bet/fold very often on the river, but here it may well be the best line.

colgin · #24 01-29-2007, 05:44 PM

Standard.

Kwaz · #25 01-30-2007, 11:13 PM

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u bet/fold the river bc its better than check calling and check folding

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ILOVEPOKER929 · #26 01-31-2007, 12:53 AM

If you think you can trust this guy than go ahead and bet/fold. If you cant trust him then check/call.

Is this game really that simple? Unfortunately the answer to that question is a resounding no becuz the above advice I just gave you is actually laced with a huge flaw. The problem with my advice is the word "think". For example if your opinion that you can trust this guy is only 75% accurate then bet/folding in this pot size is probably a mistake. And IMO this is the area where a player trying to play well is going to make most of his mistakes, and that is thinking his reads are more accurate then they really are.

Now im not trying to say that check/calling the river is better than bet/folding. What I am saying is in order to bet/fold here in this pot size you better be damn sure that this guy will only raise the river with a better hand and that check/calling is bad cuz this guy is very unlikely to bet a lesser hand on the river if you check. I do believe that most players who bet/fold the river in this spot are overestimating the accuracy of their read. And I also think that if one is not 100% certain which line is best, then check/calling and always seeing a showdown has to be the best line. In general, whenever youre faced with a tough situation with a marginal hand where you dont know which line is best, taking the line that leads to a showdown will usually be the best path.

Jstill im not sure how strong you read was, but I know what I usually do in this spot, and thats check/call unless I have a very strong read that says not to.