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11-16-2007, 05:02 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think this says what you think it says. In fact, it doesn't say anything controversial at all. 
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11-16-2007, 05:12 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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Article Six absolutely does not allow for religious tests to hold office. [/ QUOTE ] "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States" The governor of say Georgia is under Georgia, not under the United States. This refers specifically to federal officials.
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#14
11-16-2007, 05:16 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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Which states had a religious test for voting? I know of a couple which had religious tests for holding office or the like, but would be curious which or how many states had religious tests for voting. [/ QUOTE ] I'm having a hard time tracking down specific information on this, although I know it was 2 or 3 New England states. I've found 1810 listed as the last date that any states did this in a couple different places, but then I've also found 1790 and 1830 listed.
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#15
11-16-2007, 05:20 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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[ QUOTE ] The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think this says what you think it says. In fact, it doesn't say anything controversial at all. [/ QUOTE ] "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers" Does this mean what i think it means?
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#16
11-16-2007, 05:21 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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[ QUOTE ] The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think this says what you think it says. In fact, it doesn't say anything controversial at all. [/ QUOTE ] True, it doesn't even imply that religion should be involved with government. Quite the opposite in fact.
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#17
11-16-2007, 05:25 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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damn, that's confusing. Is Georgia under the United States? I'm such a noob [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] The states are autonomous entities that are banded together in the alliance known as the United States, very similar to how France, Germany and Italy are part of the European Union. At least that's how it was back then. As such, I interpret that phrase to mean under the federal government. Unlike the "insane" interpretations used for certain other parts of the Constitution though, I accept that that clause is vague enough to be open to debate. OTOH, given that New Hampshire had religious requirements until the 1870s without being challenged on it, it seems likely that the intent of that clause was indeed that it be applied only to federal politicians. Then again, since almost everyone in New Hampshire was likely religious anyway and certainly no one who wasn't religious could realistically be elected, it's possible that no one cared enough to challenge it.
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#18
11-16-2007, 05:45 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
Ron Paul's only downfall is idiot sheeple who can't understand what he's saying. I don't know if it's because they're really stupid or because they're so used to politicians with no principles saying whatever people want to hear in the most dumbed down way possible.
For example: RP: I want to abolish the IRS sheeple: ZOMG the govt can't function without the IRS! RP: I want to abolish the Dept of Education sheeple: ZOMG RP wants to abolish public schools! How are the poor kids supposed to go to school????? RP: Religious institutions should be more important than government sheeple: ZOMG Christian supremecist! Ron Paul's campaign slogan is "Hope for America." I don't see how anyone could have hope for America when so many of us can't comprehend simple statements.
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#19
11-16-2007, 05:50 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
Far from being "The Downfall"
This is a mere "tempest in a teapot." For those wishing to "Downfall" RP, they're are far more important and contentious issues to go after.
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#20
11-16-2007, 05:52 AM
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Re: Ron Paul\'s glaring downfall
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Far from being "The Downfall" This is a mere "tempest in a teapot." For those wishing to "Downfall" RP, they're are far more important and contentious issues to go after. [/ QUOTE ] Your typos/writing problems made it hard to understand what you are saying here.
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