party vs stars difference

[straight6]

i dont know how to explain this
but im reaching the end of my rope in this matter
is it possible to be up 200k on partypoker with sng,s (sample size 10.000)
and being down 70k on stars also with sample size 10.000
with the note that my last 6000 sng's on stars the loss stabilized
i lost 70k in the first 4000
and now with vip milestone bonuses and ffp i can keep it even but with horrendous swings of 100 buyins up and down

right know my mind is playing tricks on me
i have the feeling that my allins are sucked out more on stars than party
suckouts happen and are part of the game ,i never ever complained about this on the table or anywhere else
when they happen just started up a new game and went on
but now
my last 100buyin downswing its so dominant happening in my mind that its not even funny anymore
i even got taunted from another regular who's got the same impression according to his remarks

i know the level of play is different on stars and party so a litle difference can be explained
but is the difference in skill realy that big?
does anybody know a good program to load my hand histories in to calculate my sklansky bucks from all allin matchups
to clearify this for me that im seeing ghosts
and that indeed the skill difference is dominant
or show that maybe my feeling is right that my sklansky bucks are behind the results
because of some rare statistical occurance

regards

[RaidanKR]

PokerEV - http://pokerevsoftware.com/

[pzhon]

Of course you can have worse results against tougher players with a different blind structure (and a different number of players at the table). If your ROI is low to begin with, it can easily become negative in a tougher game.

Don't confuse downward trends with downswings.

[drzen]

do you have PokerTracker?

If so, go back over your allins. You have a big enough sample that they should converge on the correct odds. I'll bet they do.

[straight6]

ill use pokeroffice
i find pokeroffice a real nice program to use realtime on the tables, but ill experience that its a little poor for analysis for past results the filter options are a bit limited
the thing is i cant use the pokeroffice database for pokerev
i red somewhere that this will be upgraded?
are there other "luckmeter" programms availible?

[Rek]

Party is fixed so you always win.

Just something I don't understand - why don't you just play Party and not Stars?

[TheEye]

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why don't you just play Party and not Stars?

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Um, probably because he can't anymore.

[zerosum]

I firmly believe that PStars deals HANDS not CARDS, thereby allowing for close to undetectable manipulation of the games. The result is a distribution of starting hands as one would expect over the long term. However, the play of hands from the flop is not normal. The boards tend to better hit more hands, driving up the pot and thus the rake. Nothing like juicing the river card to boost the pot and the rake

I'm on my final and third experience with PStars. The result has been the same each time. Make a deposit, then run about 4BB/100 on the LHE short tables over 10K hands, and then suffer suckout after suckout after suckout on the river after having 90 percent plus pot equity going to the river until I've given back all previous winnings and most of the deposit.

Given the lack of choice for U.S. players wanting to play online, I guess after this final PStars experiment, I'm done with online poker.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say in response to your post is that your imagination is not playing tricks on you. If you can play somewhere other than PStars, then dot it. Otherwise consider quiting online play.

[pzhon]

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The boards tend to better hit more hands, driving up the pot and thus the rake. Nothing like juicing the river card to boost the pot and the rake

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Your theory is testable. Would you care to bet a large amount of money on it? How about getting 10:1 odds? If you don't believe it enough to back your words at 10:1 odds, why are you trying to convince other people?

[RustyBrooks]

Testing theories is for suckers.

Clearly the problem is far too subtle to be able to test, but obvious enough for players in the know (taps nose) to notice it.